RE: MD Self

From: Mark Steven Heyman (
Date: Tue Dec 07 2004 - 15:14:29 GMT

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    Hi all,

    Yeah I love that Kafka quote. The problem is someone keeps coming to
    drag you out of the room. Maybe in a straight-jacket...

    Then there's this, from the man himself:

    The more he had tried to pin them down on what they were talking
    about the vaguer they had gotten. Now with this Quality he seemed to
    say the same thing and talk as vaguely as they did, even though what
    he talked about was as hard and clear and solid as any rationally
    defined entity he'd ever dealt with.

    Quality. That's what they'd been talking about all the time. "Man,
    will you just please, kindly dig it," he remembered one of them
    saying, "and hold up on all those wonderful seven-dollar questions?
    If you got to ask what is it all the time, you'll never get time to
    know." Soul. Quality. The same? (ZMM)

    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)
    "Thought is only a flash between two long nights, but this flash is
    everything." -- Henri Poincare'

    On 7 Dec 2004 at 8:49, Platt Holden wrote:

    I agree with the implication that there's nothing mysterious about
    mystic experience because "it's right in front of us all the time."
    All you have to do is look. Thus, writing about and discussing it at
    length, while interesting perhaps, isn't necessary to understand it.
    In fact, words and thoughts get in the way. The following quote from
    Krishnamurti puts mysticism in proper perspective:

    "The real is near you, you do not have to search for it; and a man
    who seeks the truth will never find it. Truth is in what 'is' -- and
    that is the beauty of it. But the moment you conceive it, the moment
    you seek it, you begin to struggle; and a man who struggles cannot
    understand. That is why we have to be still, observant, passively

    Which leads to my favorite quote of all time, from Franz Kafka:

    "You do not need to leave your room. Remain sitting at your table and
    listen. Do not even listen, simply wait. Do not even wait, be quite
    still and solitary. The world will freely offer itself to you to be
    unmasked. It has no choice. It will roll in ecstasy at your feet."

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