Re: MD terrorist blackmail

From: Wim Nusselder (
Date: Fri Dec 17 2004 - 09:55:26 GMT

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    Dear Platt,

    You wrote 16 Dec 2004 10:53:06 -0500:
    'that in 2004 some 110,000 people decided to leave the country does raise

    I don't think mobility in itself should be much of a problem. On 17 million
    people an emigration suplus of 18.000 people is not that much. Can you find
    comparable figures for movements between different US states or between
    Canada and USA?

    You can only get a 'social-fiscal number' in the Netherlands when you have a
    legal status permitting you to work here. Immigrants into the Netherlands
    are usually of working age. The exception is when they already have
    relatives in the Netherlands who are able to support them. I don't think it
    is the immigrants that put a strain on the Dutch social security system, but
    rather the slow integration of second and third generation descendants. I
    don't think the Netherlands is doing particularly bad regarding that
    integration. There are no real ghetto's or no-go areas if you are from the
    wrong ethnic origin in the Netherlands. Our economy (on average), like the
    economy of any rich country, doesn't permit sealing the labour market off
    from all immigrants. Sizable parts of the economy wouldn't work as well as
    they do now without relatively low-cost labour from immigrants and their
    descendants. Slow integration is both a risk involved and the condition for
    I don't think this is really different in the USA, is it?

    I didn't comment on the remarks by Ellen Bles in your Telegraph quote that
    "There are so many rules that nobody sticks to them" and the escalation of
    bombings of churches and mosques "because the police and the state aren't
    doing anything about it" because they are gross exaggerations. The number of
    violent incidents and threats between Muslims and non-Muslims (mostly
    adolescents) in the Netherlands in the month after the assassination of Theo
    van Gogh was comparable with that after 11 Septemeber 2001 (in the
    Netherlands!). It will subside in due course if nothing comparable happens.
    'Escalation' is not the right word. As for the effect on the Dutch psyche of
    that murder... we'll see. It cannot be much more profound than that of
    street murders in countries where they are much more frequent.

    With friendly greetings,


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