From: Ron Winchester (phaedruswolff@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jan 20 2005 - 01:25:23 GMT
HI Joe,
I didn't mean to challenge what you said. I meant my question as a simple
one. Better phrased, it might read;
How would you 'Think" intellect evolves?
Order and description wouldn't be key. Right?
Wolff (or you can call me Ray, or you can call me Jay, just don't call me
late for dinner:)
>From: "Joseph Maurer" <jhmau@sbcglobal.net>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Subject: Re: MD Logic, Analogy, Metaphor
>Date: Wed, 19 Jan 2005 12:14:42 -0800
>
>On 18 January 2005 8:37 PM Chin, er uh, Wolf Writes to Joe
>
>Hi Joe,
>
>May I ask how the intellectual level evolves?
>
>Chin, er uh, Wolff
>
>
>Hi Chin, er uh, Wolf and all,
>
>I have no answer! I will repeat a couple of paragraphs and conclude IMO
>that self- creation of a reflective self-awareness is the DQ analogue for
>the intellectual level of evolution.
>
>[Joe] When metaphor and analogy are combined evolution, or the moral levels
>occur. 'Supreme' has meaning only in the social level order in the same way
>the order family, city, king has meaning. Yet the intellectual level is the
>highest.
>
>What I was trying to point out in that paragraph is that 'order-metaphor'
>tied to analogy creates an awareness of analogous DQ in terms of levels
>(order).
>
>[JOE} IMO Analogy is used to express the mystical acceptance of the levels.
>The term 'like' seems to emphasize the acceptance of different levels. It
>is analogy to use as an explanation of the causes of WW I & II, the
>struggle between the intellectual and social levels. Morality is analogy in
>terms of DQ. However, as analogies, the inorganic, organic, social, and
>intellectual levels are moral levels of quality everyone accepts, as they
>accept the analogy of evolution into moral levels.
>
>IMO 'Like,' the trademark of an analogy, is not an empty word. What does it
>mean? I suggest it is the mystical acceptance of (?) 'description'. Logic
>satisfies the description of the inorganic and organic levels. Metaphor
>from the social level describes an order in each level. Analogy describes
>all levels in quality, relative evolution.
>
>Joe
>
>----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Winchester"
><phaedruswolff@hotmail.com>
>To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
>Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 6:42 PM
>Subject: RE: MD Logic, Analolgy, Metaphor
>
>
>>Joe:
>>Analogy accepts the discontinuity of forms, e.g., evolution! Gravity is
>>often an analogue for different forces. Metaphor accepts a faith in
>>awareness in a model of different moral levels. " I was born on the
>>prairie where the wind blew free, and there was nothing to break the light
>>of the sun." ibid. The inorganic-organic level model of speech is logical.
>>"I want to die there, and not within walls." ibid.
>>
>>IMO The social level model of speech is metaphor, e.g., the roles in a
>>family. No one is quite sure apart from organic generation what the roles
>>of father, mother, child etc. mean. Yet social order occurs from an
>>acceptance of roles. Metaphor is in the social order. He/she is leader! An
>>order is observed. When the metaphor of order is used in the intellectual
>>level as a metaphysical tool it becomes dogma. The creation of awareness
>>is seen as a higher level than order. Gravity is seen as a lower level
>>than order. Feeding is seen as a higher level than gravity, but lower than
>>order. IMO This is morality! The assignment of guilt for an action is
>>measured in the awareness level of the individual. The proof of awareness
>>is action, "by their fruits you will know them." Anarchy in Iraq comes
>>from a destruction of an established social order.
>>
>>IMO If I propose existing levels like in evolution I use a social level
>>base. IMO order is the social level. The inorganic, organic, social,
>>intellectual levels in the MOQ are metaphors of DQ. There is no inorganic,
>>organic, intellectual supreme leader. The periodic table of elements is an
>>analogy to the social order. It would seem that an affect on awareness
>>would be a more reasonable base for a periodic table of elements.
>>
>>When metaphor and analogy are combined they evolve, the moral levels
>>occur. 'Supreme' has meaning only in the social level order in the same
>>way the order family, city, king has meaning. Yet the intellectual level
>>is the highest.
>>
>>IMO Analogy is used to express the mystical acceptance of the levels. The
>>term 'like' seems to emphasize the acceptance of different levels. It is
>>analogy to use as an explanation of the causes of WW I & II, the struggle
>>between the intellectual and social levels. Morality is analogy in terms
>>of DQ. However, as analogies, the inorganic, organic, social, and
>>intellectual levels are moral levels of quality everyone accepts, as they
>>accept the analogy of evolution into moral levels.
>>
>>Hi Joe,
>>
>>May I ask how the intellectual level evolves?
>>
>>Chin, er uh, Wolff
>
>
>
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