From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Jan 21 2005 - 21:02:43 GMT
Arlo,
> My suggestion was that "conservatives" engage in "ad hominem" attacks just
> as vociferously as "liberals". As Horse has demonstrated, perhaps even more
> so. This refutes your use of the term "leftist argument" when referring to
> "ad hominem" attacks.
Barbara Boxer's attack on Condi Rice's integrity during the recent Senate
hearing on her confirmation as Secretary of State illustrates my point
better than a million postings on the internet from all sorts of kooks.
> If you define "patriotism" as "blind obedience to your government" that is
> your problem. To me, part of the great thing about "freedom" is the
> "freedom to dissent".
I know of no one jailed for speaking out against the liberation of Iraq.
In fact, protesters were allowed seats at the Inauguration. But, if you
engaged in so called "hate speech," especially in Europe, watch out. Or
if you violate campus speech codes, the P. C. police will be after your
butt in a New York minute. Even the President of Harvard can't speak out
about the difference between men and women without getting mercilessly
attacked by leftist feminists.
> When did I say I blindly support Hillary Clinton (or any other politician
> or political party)???
>
> See, unlike blind lapdogs, I freely and openly disagree based on principles
> I hold, not party-affiliation.
Since I don't recall reading your list of "principles," I went by your
anti-conservative, pro-leftist views. Are you saying you would never vote
for Hillary for president?
> > > Rupert Murdoch's
> > > blatantly false "fair and balanced" is another masterful use of
> > > manipulative language.
> >
> >You see what I mean?
>
> Yes, I see you actually believe it, and as such prove the power of the
> propaganda.
Let me see if I have this right. When I believe something to be true, it's
because I've been brainwashed by propaganda. On the other hand, when you
believe something to be true, it's because you have made an objective
study of it. Translation: Platt's a stupid conservative; I Arlo am
intelligent person of principles. Where have I heard something like this
before? Oh yes, now I remember. It was in "Lila" from the mouth of Richard
Rigel.
> >No. In Hitler's Germany there was no mainstream media, only Nazi media.
>
> Learn some history, Platt. There WAS a mainstream media, it was gradually
> taken over by the ministry BECAUSE they used the fear that everything in it
> was "jew biased".
Please name your source of that history. From my source (Berlin Diary)
they took it over at the point of a gun.
> As I've said, the conservatives are not unique in using talking points, but
> the sheer volume of it pushed out by the conservative media over the past
> several years has been very telling.
What's your source for "sheer volume?" What measurement are you using?
Platt
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