Re: MD Access to Quality

From: Mark Steven Heyman (
Date: Wed May 18 2005 - 19:21:15 BST

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    Hi Mike,

    Just wanted to jump in here and say welcome to the group. The point
    you make below is right-on, of course. Anyone who suggests
    pragmatism leads to Nazism is beyond absurdity. To suggest that
    Pirsig believes that pragmatism leads to Nazism is an abomination.

    Just a friendly bit of advice: Before embarking on the Holden
    Carousel of Faux Philosophy, you might want to jump into the archives
    and review some of the proprietor's past discussions. These will
    give you an idea of the dizzying ride in store for you. Here's a
    link to my first post, over a year ago:

    You can ride the carousel from there. Wait till you get to the
    theory of "kill 'em all like germs" crime control which, it is
    claimed, is fully supported by the Metaphysics of Quality. Hold onto
    your hat!

    Again, welcome. I've found your first few posts to be well-written
    well-informed, and a pleasure to read. I'm looking forward to
    reading many more.

    Mark Steven Heyman (msh)

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    And now for something completely different...
    "Should any political  party attempt to abolish social security, 
    unemployment insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, 
    you  would not hear of that party again in our political history. 
    There is a  tiny splinter group, of course, that believes that you 
    can do these  things. Among them are a few Texas oil millionaires, 
    and an occasional  politician or businessman from other areas. Their 
    number is negligible and they are stupid." 
    - President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1954
    On 18 May 2005 at 16:31, Michael Hamilton wrote:
    Hi Platt
    I can't let this one go:
    Pirsig takes a dim view of James' pragmatism in
    Lila, pointing out that Nazis were pragmatic. (For similar reasons I
    object to postmodernists making pragmatism an object of worship.)
    To put it mildly, this is a gross distortion. Pirsig shows total 
    agreement with James' axiom "Truth is a species of good", and goes on 
    to say how the MOQ supports James' pragmatism and RESCUES him from 
    the Nazi criticism, which runs "if the Nazis had won WW2, their 
    beliefs (about race etc) were pragmatically successful and therefore 
    true". MOQ pragmatism, which Pirsig claims is what James intended but 
    could not codify, does not validate truth claims based on social 
    pragmatic success (what others allow you to "get away with"), but on 
    intellectual pragmatic success (in James' words, that which "proves 
    itself to be good in the way of belief"). The ambiguity of "good" is 
    what got James into problems. The MOQ says that the good to which 
    truth is subordinate is intellectual and Dynamic usefulness, not 
    social usefulness.
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