From: Wim Nusselder (wim.nusselder@antenna.nl)
Date: Sat Jun 04 2005 - 22:25:01 BST
Dear Platt,
You
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 2:59 PM
> > So to the extent that free movement of people is possible without
> > threatening the 3rd level basis of 4th level patterns of value, it
should
> > be supported.
>
> Agree. Our difference is a matter of emphasis. I see a threat to social
> stability that you minimize.
Well, that seems to me the essential difference between conservative and
progressive people. Like sq and DQ both are needed in a society.
> It's human nature to prefer one's own tribe to outsiders. I doubt if
> millions of years of evolution can be overcome by "education."
There are a lot negative tendencies in human nature that civilization (3rd
level patterns of value) and education (4th level patterns of value in the
sense in which I used it) HAVE overcome (or at least caged).
> > A lot of analyses
> > of the referdum outcome in the Netherlands point out that the
> > 'yes'/'no'-division was to a large extent along 'educated'/'relatively
> > uneducated' lines... The towns where 'yes' won are without exception
towns
> > with a large cosmopolitan, well-to-do, highly educated, elite part of
the
> > population.
>
> An arrogant attitude of "we elites know best." It was resentment of such
> an attitude that spelled trouble for the left in our last presidential
> election. This attitude contradicts the moral ideal of "equality" that
> leftist pay constant lip service to -- a contradiction that is not
> overlooked by the rubes out there in the "towns," or in the U.S, the "red
> states."
People are born with unequal capacities. After having been brought up in
different social backgrounds their capacities for maintaining and renewing
3rd and 4th level patterns of value have become even more unequal. Education
tends to organize stimulation of those with more capacities to develop them
even more and discouragement of those with less capacities to take extra
education to compensate for their natural & nurtured lack of capacities.
Rightist people sometimes tend to deny these facts. Sometimes they
recognize, but accept them, because -according to them- it produces the best
3rd and 4th level patterns of value if natural & nurtured capacities are
developed to their maximum in this way.
Leftist people state (and sometimes exaggerate) these facts, do not accept
them and strive to decrease (not necessarily eliminate) the differences.
Not stating that one has more capacities than someone else in itself is
arrogant or elitist. Refusing to prove it and not giving others the chance
to undo the difference is. And ... capacities based on nature, nurture and
free education do not entitle one to a higher standard of living. Only
efforts for common interests does. That's what breeds resentment: unfounded
claims to power and wealth and unwillingness to share it with others who
contribute at least as much to common interests.
With friendly greetings,
Wim
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