From: ian glendinning (psybertron@gmail.com)
Date: Mon Jun 27 2005 - 18:20:40 BST
Great stuff Platt.
I particularly like ..
.... we can influence one another and the physical world simply by our
intentions .... information (and concomitant meaning) can
be nonlocal, extending indefinitely throughout space and time ...."
Later you say Nelson's words seem to support MoQ.
I say again, MoQ and "an empirical reality emergent from non-local
information", are both simply two manifestations of higher level
patterns in the same underlying physical reality - namely quantum
information - like consciousness and intelligence themselves. (Intent
BTW, is the primary dimension of my own model of knowledge.)
I like everything Nelson says, and really want it to be true, but I
can't tell yet how good (how quality) his explanations are. The
harmonious, poetic, elegance of it all just screams out to be true.
The main downside for this "supernatural" communication via some
back-door bypassing the electro-magnetic-aether over human scale
distances is that just about all credible "sceptical" "objective"
"empirical" testing shows no evidence to support it and enough
evidence to doubt it.
I hope Nelson is right, in a non-scientific kind of way. Thanks for the link.
Ian
On 6/27/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> As many of you know there have been scientific experiments going on for
> some time at Princeton University that provides solid empirical evidence
> that we can influence one another and the physical world simply by our
> intentions.
>
> In an article explaining this phenomena entitled "Gathering of the Global
> Mind" by Roger Nelson, several passages caught my eye as being especially
> relevant to the MOQ. Consider the following:
>
> "One of the most promising physical models for explaining the anomalies we
> see in this work is drawn from David Bohm's proposed theory of active
> information.(23) In his terms, information (and concomitant meaning) can
> be nonlocal, extending indefinitely throughout space and time. Active
> information may be envisioned as a potential field interacting in the
> development of manifestations in the physical world. Thus, active
> information is virtual, but when a "need" for it exists, the need
> actualizes the information by creating a repository for it. In such a
> model, the question we ask in the EGG project plays the role of the need
> for information, making it possible for the inchoate meaning of global
> consciousness to manifest.
>
> Forgetting for a moment all our arguments about "consciousness," "mind,"
> "thinking," etc., focus on the word "need." Is not "need" just another
> word for "value?" Thus, substituting value for need in the above we read,
> "Thus, active information is virtual, but when it becomes valued, the
> value actualizes the information by creating a repository for it. In such
> a model, the question we ask in the EGG project plays the role of placing
> a high value on the information, making it possible for the inchoate
> meaning of global consciousness to manifest."
>
> The final passage from the same article made a further connection with the
> MOQ. The author summed up as follows:
>
> "So, for a deeper understanding, we ought to make music with the numbers,
> and allow harmonies that might be hidden in the correlations sound out.
> And we should paint pictures and weave webs of meaning from the not-quite-
> random values sent by local EGGs in Europe, and Africa, and Asia, and the
> South pacific, and the Americas. We want to mix these as sounds and
> colors, and combine them with the poetic insights that frame and sketch
> the design of an imagined global consciousness, just waking. In the
> meantime, science, with its highly developed objective methods, succeeds
> in drawing some elegantly instructive pictures as graphs which turn the
> data into insights, and give a high perspective on the question. These
> have their beauty too, and they show structures where there ought not to
> be any, unless it is created there by some faint stirring of a global
> consciousness.
>
> "Harmony," "beauty," "elegance," "poetic insights," -- all pointing to
> experience when DQ's presence is most apparent.
>
> I think science will someday demonstrate the creative force of value when
> the experimental data it registers reveals heretofore unknown beauty That
> day may be closer than is generally suspected.
>
> The full article is available at: http://noosphere.princeton.edu/
>
> Best,
> Platt
>
>
>
>
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