From: gav (gav_gc@yahoo.com.au)
Date: Sun Jul 10 2005 - 23:27:35 BST
ian,
the funny thing is i hear your voice as i read your
words now.
cheers
gav
--- ian glendinning <psybertron@gmail.com> wrote:
> Gav, Horse,
>
> I'm a cock-up theorist rather than a conspiracy
> theorist.
>
> No doubt someone knew something about some bombings
> that seemed to be
> planned to take place - I suspect someone does every
> single day.
> Whether anyone knew anything definitively enough at
> the right time to
> take any actions - who knows, and who would have
> listened, except a
> paranoid Israeli perhaps.
>
> No doubt for the bombers it was opportunism - whilst
> the cat and his
> security forces were away north of the border -
> strike home.
>
> Life aint that complicated.
>
> Ian
>
> On 7/10/05, Horse <horse@darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
> > Hi Gav and MDers
> >
> > On 10 Jul 2005 at 1:04, gav wrote:
> >
> > > hello all,
> > > firstly to all temporary liverpudlians, and
> > > ant....wow!
> >
> > Definitely. A great time was had by all I think.
> It was really good to meet so many list
> > members. Lots of interesting papers and a good
> social time.
> >
> > >
> > > secondly:
> > > this is something that is a lot easier to skirt
> around
> > > but i would feel like a bit of a coward if i
> did.
> > > please don't blindly accept the corporate media
> view
> > > of what happened in london.
> > >
> > > a few points to consider:
> > > 1. why when the leaders of the G8 are in
> edinburgh
> > > (nice opportunity for some really effective
> terrorism
> > > there) are innocent londoners targeted instead?
> >
> > A possible answer could be that with so much
> attention on Edinburgh, in terms of
> > security forces and police, London was the easier
> target. Also, London is the financial
> > capital of the UK and bringing London to a
> standstill had a significant effect
> > economically. I don't think that the intention was
> to maximise loss of life or these actions
> > would have been carried out the weekend before at
> the Live 8 concert - 150-200,000 in
> > one place is a much easier target. Disruption was
> the name of the game here I suspect.
> >
> > >
> > > 2. how was binyamin netanyahu (the israeli
> politician)
> > > warned not to go to liverpool station prior to
> the
> > > attacks?
> > > According to IsraelNN.com, Scotland Yard
> received
> > > intelligence warnings of the attacks a short
> time
> > > before they occurred.
> > >
> > > The Israeli Embassy in London was notified in
> advance,
> > > resulting in Finance Minister Binyamin Netanyahu
> > > remaining in his hotel room rather than make his
> way
> > > to the hotel adjacent to the site of the first
> > > explosion, a Liverpool Street train station,
> where he
> > > was to address an economic summit.
> >
> > I hadn't heard this but it wouldn't surprise me if
> it were true. Not sure how much
> > information might have been received but maybe not
> enough to stop the attacks.
> >
> > >
> > > 3. who benefits? as lenin said, this simple
> question
> > > usually reveals the perpetrators. well the uk
> now has
> > > an excuse to stay in iraq. id cards will be
> heavily
> > > back on the agenda. the attention is taken of
> the G8
> > > and their continuing rape of africa. harsher
> national
> > > security laws...good bet i reckon. so who
> benefits?
> > > those that already have the power and are
> seeking to
> > > consolidate and expand it. fear, confusion,
> divide and
> > > rule...standard tactics. who doesn't benefit:
> iraq,
> > > africa, muslims everywhere, the public
> > > generally....hmmmm
> >
> > I think you're about right here as it will almost
> certainly be used to further erode civil
> > liberties and increase the authoritarian climate
> that already prevails. One thing I would
> > note was that Charles Clarke, the UK Home
> Secretary, did admit (albeit grudgingly) that
> > ID cards would not have stopped the bombings - but
> that's never been the reason for
> > them.
> >
> > >
> > > a little research will reveal the complicity of
> the US
> > > and other intelligence services in 9/11; is this
> time
> > > round any different? i suspect not...but of
> course i
> > > could be wrong.
> >
> > Again, I don't know how true this is but it
> wouldn't surprise me if true.
> > I don't think that the security services and
> police forces of the UK, USA, Spain etc. are
> > the answer to any of these problems. The problem
> is with the politicians and their
> > friends in certain business sectors.
> >
> > Anyway, good to hear from you and here's to the
> next get together.
> >
> > See ya
> >
> >
> > Horse
> >
> >
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