Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Society

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Fri Jul 15 2005 - 13:47:17 BST

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    > > msh 7-12-05:
    > > The idea that unregulated capitalism will not lead to monopolies, or
    > > near-monopolies, defies common sense. Even a cursory look at the the
    > > last decade's merging of banks, media producers, insurance companies,
    > > airlines, defense contractors, computer software and hardware companies,
    > > would belie the notion that monopoly is somehow "impossible" unless it is
    > > caused by government intervention.
    >
    > platt 7-13-05:
    > Mergers are not monopolies.
    >
    > msh 7-14-05:
    > Clearly, mergers and acquisitions can lead to monopolies. This is
    > why such business practices are regulated by agencies like the
    > Federal Trade Commission and Federal Reserve Board although, since
    > the Reagan 80's, these agencies have issued little more than rubber
    > stamp approvals.

    Thank goodness!

    > msh 7-12-05:
    > It's not my task (or right) to single-handedly bring about the Moral
    > Society, even if I could. My position is that a more moral society
    > will evolve naturally if we work to remove the physical and
    > psychological impediments blocking the vast majority of people from
    > realizing their full human potential.
    >
    > To this end, I've argued for specific actions, including:
    > prohibiting wealth from unduly influencing domestic and foreign
    > policy; prohibiting wealth (and power) from dominating the
    > propagation of information; and prohibiting the privatization of life-
    > essential products and services.
    >
    > So far, you've failed to demonstrate how such actions are
    > antithetical to the moral underpinnings of the Metaphysics of
    > Quality.
    >
    >
    > platt 7-13-05:
    > Prohibit, prohibit, prohibit. The MOQ moral underpinning antithetical to
    > such actions -- in a nutshell:
    >
    > "Dynamic Quality is the pre-intellectual cutting edge of realty, the
    > source of all things, completely simple and always new. It was the
    > moral force that had motivated the brujo in Zuni. It contains no
    > pattern of fixed rewards and punishments. Its only perceived good is
    > freedom and its only perceived evil is static quality itself-any
    > pattern of one-sided fixed values that tries to contain and kill the
    > ongoing free force of life." (Lila, 9)
    >
    > msh 7-14-05:
    > I think it's safe to say that no one other than you interprets this
    > passage to mean that society has no moral right to prohibit certain
    > behavior among its citizens.
     
    Only you wouldn't recognize MOQ's advocacy of freedom.
     
    > platt 7-12-05:
    > Would you be in favor of a law that increased taxes on those who
    > refused to give blood on a regular basis in order to replenish the
    > blood supply that saves lives? If not, why not?
    >
    > msh 7-12-05:
    > Yes, if those who refused cannot prove that giving blood put their
    > health at risk, and if the process of collecting and distributing
    > blood was conducted by legitimate non-profit agencies. People who
    > profit from the existence of community services should be required to
    > support those services, one way or another.
    >
    >
    > platt 7-13-05:
    > Thanks, you made my point.
    >
    > msh 7-14-05:
    > Uh, what point?
     
    That you'll justify any government intrusion into private lives to "save
    lives" including blood-letting. Next: harvesting human organs.

    Platt

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