Re: MD how do intellectual patterns respond to Quality?

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Sun Jul 31 2005 - 16:53:53 BST

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    Hi Sam,

    Sam:
    > But it strikes me that in so far as the MoQ incorporates insights from the
    > Buddhist tradition, how can it NOT involve this sort of understanding of
    > intellect? In other words, the 'detachment from desire' which I thought was
    > central to Buddhist spirituality seems to me to be exactly what I'm talking
    > about. You won't get enlightened until you have unearthed all your
    > attachments. But I'm happy to be corrected by you if that is a
    > misunderstanding of Buddhist teaching.

    IMO what Pirsig is saying when he equates pure experience with Quality is
    the same as what the great masters of every tradition have said -- that
    "your everyday and ordinary consciousness is the Tao" (reality). You don't
    have to do anything like unearth you attachments to be enlightened. You
    already are. For example:

    "As the Buddha has no abiding place anywhere, none can take hold of him,
    nor can he be let go." -- Ma-Tsu

    "Like the empty sky it has no boundaries,
    Yet it is right HERE, ever serene and clear.
    When you seek to attain it, you cannot see it.
    You cannot take hold of it,
    But neither can you lose it. " --Yung-chia

    "If you understand, things are just as they are.
    If you do not understand, things are just as they are" -- Zenrin poem.

    This comes from Ken Wilber's book, "The Spectrum of Consciousness" in the
    chapter entitled "Always Already." His point is that it's useless to seek
    enlightenment because "the object of the search and the seeker of that
    object are actually one and the same."

    So my opinion is based on what Wilber tells me is the truth about
    enlightenment. In this I trust him. But he could be wrong. :-)

    Best,
    Platt

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