From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Tue Aug 02 2005 - 08:06:58 BST
Hello again Arlo.
Once upon a time (28 July) you wrote:
> [Arlo previously]
> > > What I mean is that the so-called "terrorists" aren't
> > > "biological", any more than an American soldier is "biological".
> > > What IS biological are the actions of the individuals. A "suicide
> > > bomber" may be driven by intellectual or social goals,
> [Bo asked]
> > However when it comes to "intellectual goals" I wonder where you see
> > that component? Until that is established I say no more.
> [Arlo]
> I'm just speaking generally, of course, hence the use of "may be
> driven". Although, I might make the argument that "self-determination"
> is an intellectual pattern, that underpins a lot of anti-West
> resentment.
My view of the intellectual level (if you have noticed the SOL?)
may determine how I see these things. Because the intellectual
level has nothing to do with intelligence the Islam vs West
conflict may well be a Social vs Intellect without making the
former into inane brutes. Far from that, but because their primary
identification is religion their focus is social (Khaled presenting
himself a Muslim of Lebanese origin, not an American of ...etc).
That a Muslim may have a national identity and work for his/her
country's self-determination does not change this. Least of all it
creates any resentment towards the West, to the contrary. Turkey
is a good example of social-value dominance about to change to
intellectual-value dominance, religion is about to move away
from the state. Now they work towards a membership in the
European Union.
> Most likely, it is primarily about preserving static social patterns.
> Ours, and theirs. Which is why I've called this in the past a
> social-social conflict. As I've said to Erin, to call their side
> "biological" and ours "social" is a gross distortion done for
> hegemonic purposes.
The social level is perhaps the most ambiguous one (after
intellect!!) in the MOQ. Western countries are necessarily
"societies", but they are intellectual-value dominated ones, and
why I have reservations about the the conflict as "preserving
static social patterns". Still I agree that "their side as biological
and ours as social" is a wrong approach, yet, the act of blowing
oneself up in public places must of course be treated as the worst
of crimes.
Finally. The static levels themselves don't recognize any levels
and intellect is no exception (an intellect that can "contain" the
MOQ is impossible) and from intellect seen social value is all
evil, it won't have any stoning of unfaithful women, sexual organ
mutilation, priest-run states ...etc. Only from the MOQ the
complete Q-picture is seen.
Bo
PS
A beneficial fall-out from the Muslim terror may have been the
IRA coming to their senses. It's as if they realized that they can't
compete with this. Perhaps the Basque ETA will follow suit?
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