From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Tue Aug 23 2005 - 12:57:54 BST
Ian,
> Platt, OK so we agree the "ends" need to be part of the analysis, but
>
> (as Ant points out further on in the thread) the "means" and even the
> immediate reasoning in the choice of means are still not equivalent
> between poitically (religiously, same thing) motivated terrorists and
> robber / thieves / brigands. What you are being accused of Platt is
> simply over-simplification.
I disagree. If you want to take the motivation route, you have to consider
the motivations of urban blacks who supply the context for Pirsig's
insights about biological forces. To consider them subhuman is immoral.
They aren't chimpanzees. Ever hear of the Black Panthers?
> As for re-reading Lila-24, I am again, but again, that reading, that
> interpretation, depends on the memes already in our heads (mine and
> yours) far more than any literal truth in Pirsig's words.
No doubt. We each bring our experience and our "intellectual glasses" to
our interpretations.
Platt
Platt
> Ian
>
> On 8/20/05, Platt Holden <pholden@sc.rr.com> wrote:
> > Ian,
> >
> > Yes, I know. We have to try to "understand" why they terrorize. We
> > shouldn't even try to the limit or destroy them. We must be "sensitive"
> > to their needs.
> >
> > The context for the biological "might makes right morality" statement is
> > "urban slums" which, unlike you, Pirsig doesn't consider to be a million
> > miles from prehistoric brigandage. It's the same old biological means to
> > attain ends, here, now.
> >
> > Wake up and read Chapter 24 with care.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> >
> > > Platt,
> > > Perfect quote from Lila again, but zero relevance as usual.
> > > The only thing in common is the word "terror".
> > >
> > > Their methods may be terror and violence but there is NO WAY it is
> > > being done from a "biological might makes right" strategy. It's more a
> > > "physical and bioligical weakness makes it so risky we have to resort
> > > to suicide" strategy.
> > >
> > > Furthermore it's also a million miles from "prehistoric brigandage".
> > > They are not carrying off our valuables and women folk for a start -
> > > they are taking lives & hostages, creating fear and spreading a
> > > message.
> > >
> > > Their ends do not justify their means, but at least get 'em right if
> > > you expect to help contribute to a solution. Wake up and smell the
> > > burning flesh.
> > >
> > > Ian
> >
> >
> >
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