Re: MD How do conservative values support DQ and the evolution of SQ?

From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Thu Sep 08 2005 - 14:24:45 BST

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    > [Platt previously]
    > Guess you don't get it. Without individual protons, neutrons and electrons
    > you wouldn't exist to request anything.
    >
    > [Arlo]
    > One more try. I do value the individual Ps, Ns and Es. But if that's all
    > they ever were, "we" wouldn't exist. If all there were were "individual
    > protons, neutrons and electons", we wouldn't exist. Because of the
    > evolutionary collectives, "we" do. Elsewise, there'd be just a bunch on
    > individualist protons floating around space and nothing more.

    I emphasize the primary, the individual, you the secondary, the collective.
    So be it.

    > Ps, Ns and Es collectize into "atoms", which collectivize into "molecules"
    > like H20, which collectivize into "water", etc. At each level of
    > collectivization value is exponentially increased. The collective whole is
    > greater than the sum of its parts... no matter how wonderous one particular
    > proton happens to believe itself to be.

    I know. You, like Marx, worship the collective, i.e. social values.

    > [Platt previously]
    > But, I gotta admire the way you beat a simple analogy to death.
    > Very creative. :-)
    >
    > [Arlo responded]
    > Is that an sly insult? Coming from a (gasp!) "conservative"? Or just an
    > admission of defeat?
    >
    > [Platt]
    > A revealing look at the liberal mindset. Oh yes, I'm defeated, battered,
    > and beaten, just as you and your fellow leftists would like to defeat Bush
    > and all conservatives and pack them off in boxcars to to your gulags to
    > never be heard from again.
    >
    > [Arlo]
    > That's right, Platt. My secret agenda is to send you off to a gulag. You
    > broke the code. Damn.

    So explain why you used the "defeat" metaphor, as if I were an enemy of
    the collective to be treated in the same way Uncle Joe Stalin, that
    prototypical Marxist, treated his opponents.

    Or should I not take you seriously?

    Platt

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