Re: MD How do conservative values support DQ and the evolution of SQ?

From: Erin (macavity11@yahoo.com)
Date: Thu Sep 08 2005 - 16:37:01 BST

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    Arlo,
     
      I am having a hard reconciling your argument with Pirsig talking about "the Giant" and the quote below? Do you disagree with Pirsig on this or do you have a different interpretation?
     
     Erin
     
     
    In ZMM, Pirsig writes:
    “A real understanding of Quality _captures_ the
    system, tames it, and puts it to work for its own
    personal use, while leaving one completely free to fulfill his inner destiny.”(Ch.18)

     

     

    "Arlo J. Bensinger" <ajb102@psu.edu> wrote:
    [Arlo previously]
    Good. I've sent a request to the Myrtle Beach Water Authority to
    "de-collectivize" your water into individual protons, neutrons and
    electrons. Since their value is in their Randian isolation, I'm sure
    they'll quench your thirst better than that blasted evil Marxist collective
    "water". Those protons that refuse to "de-collectivize" will be forced to
    listen to the EIB network until they recant. Damn commie protons.

    [Platt]
    Guess you don't get it. Without individual protons, neutrons and electrons
    you wouldn't exist to request anything.

    [Arlo]
    One more try. I do value the individual Ps, Ns and Es. But if that's all they
    ever were, "we" wouldn't exist. If all there were were "individual protons,
    neutrons and electons", we wouldn't exist. Because of the evolutionary
    collectives, "we" do. Elsewise, there'd be just a bunch on individualist
    protons floating around space and nothing more.

    Ps, Ns and Es collectize into "atoms", which collectivize into "molecules" like
    H20, which collectivize into "water", etc. At each level of collectivization
    value is exponentially increased. The collective whole is greater than the sum
    of its parts... no matter how wonderous one particular proton happens to
    believe itself to be.

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