From: Case (Case@iSpots.com)
Date: Mon Sep 12 2005 - 22:06:22 BST
>> [Case said]
>> It was the Romans who crucified him for claiming to be King. If he had
>> claimed to be God the Jews would have stoned him.
[C.L. Everett wrote]
> Case--that is the common interpretation. Another is that Pilate
> "didn't want to do it" and was pressured into it. By the masses. And
> that Jesus never claimed to be King, a title thrust upon him by those
> in need of have that role filled. Have you seen JCS?
[Case replies]
One for my first jobs out of high school washing utilities trucks for my
city. On more than one occassion I sang the whole thing from start to finish
while hoseing down the trucks. It used to alternate it with Tommy. My
rendition of "I Don't Know How to Love Him" almost got me killed by a
co-worker, it wasn't pretty. I have seen the movie and I seem to recalling
seeing a live performance in college but can't be sure about that.
I could go on and on about this but the sign posted near Jesus' cross read
King of the Jews. He was arrested following his ruckous in the temple. There
are hints of other violent activity in the city at the same time. In Luke
the term translated to mean thieves, describing the two guys crucified with
Jesus, is lente. Elsewhere this term is used to identify the insurgents who
eventually pissed off the Romans enough to wipe the Jew off the map. Also
notice that among "the 12" there was: Simon the Zealot, the zealots were the
insurrectionists, Judas Iscariot, the term iscaroit in very close to the
name of a group of Jewish assasins who use slender knives to take out people
who disagreed with them. Then you have James and John, the Sons of Thunder,
Rocky (I think a better translation of Petra than Peter) and a tax
collector. Also notice that when Jesus was taken in the garden one of his
disciples cuts off a soldier's ear. What's a pacifist doing with a sword.
You have to read between the lines in the gospels. Their authors went to
some pretty great lengths not to anger or insult any Romans who happened to
be reading.
As for the Jews having "...no law to put a man to death", early in Acts the
Jews have no problem stoning Stephan for what they deemed to be blasphmy.
Had Jesus claimed to be the messiah this would not have upset the Jews, who
saw this in political or priestly terms, it was only as the church developed
in the first and second centuries that the term became what it is today. On
the other hand claiming the be the messiah as it was understood during
Jesus' time would certainly have attracted the attention of the Romans.
Also take a look at what we know about Pilate's tenure as governor of Judea
and see if it sounds like he was intimidated by mobs.
Hey, C.L., I notice you quoteing Castaneda now and then. You a fan? I quit
reading him as anything but fiction after Journey to Ixlan but it was damn
fine entertainment and he does say some pretty profound stuff.
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