RE: MD Pirsig the postmodernist?

From: Matthew Stone (mattstone_2000@yahoo.co.uk)
Date: Mon Mar 03 2003 - 10:48:39 GMT

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    DMB,

    DMB said:
    > Do me a favor. Explain to me how this wish to go
    > back to an unarticulated
    > world view is NOT just a big pile of
    > anti-intellectual nihilism. Why would
    > we be happy with a one-word philosophy? I was
    > thrilled when Lila came out.
    > For my tastes, ZAMM raised too many question that
    > needed answers. I enjoyed
    > it in many ways, but I couldn't help but think,
    > "Yea? So? What does that
    > mean?" I'm extremely suspicious of pomo's apparent
    > hostility to the
    > philosophical attempts to understand things. I
    > think this is just what
    > humans want to do and what they have always done.
    > We're curious. We're
    > explorers. We want to know. Our inability to achieve
    > perfection in this, in
    > my view, is an extremely weak reason to abandon
    > philosophy. Besides,
    > metaphysics is fun.

    Thanks for your interesting reply. I'm not
    criticising Pirsig in a broad sense, only in that his
    work can peraps be seen as incompatible with the
    post-human ideas of thought. BUt you also raise some
    crucial points about the value of nihilism in thought.
     This is the biggest (and I might add, the easiest)
    criticism of postmodern thought. But there are some
    really interesting ideas being developed at the moment
    about the positive effect of nihilism. Firstly, that
    a state of nihilism is necessary, and perhaps
    inevitable, at certain junctures in society's
    development, such that defunct modes of thought can be
    discarded as they are shown to be questionable.
    Therefore new modes of thought are forged, nihilism is
    abandonned, and a new, revised modernity emerges. I
    would contend that the last 100 years or so have
    pretty much resembled such a juncture. Pirsig may
    resemble this model, or at least a symptom of the
    model - after all, the blurb on the back of ZMM says
    something like 'it'll change the way you think about
    life'.

    Secondly, nihilism may be conceived of as more
    advanced state of human reason, where higher forms of
    thought can take place, un-hindered by the weight of
    metaphysics. This is a difficult idea, but the
    emphasis seems to be on 'intersubjectivity', rather
    than objectivity, and an empowerment of people to
    speak of different things, in different 'languages'.
    Although the most 'tricky' cenception of nihilism, it
    is also the most exciting, as it heralds a new
    enlightenment, such that thought has turned full
    circle, and enters modernity again, only in a more
    refined sense.

    I wouldn't say nihilism is anti-intellectual. Perhaps
    it is often unhelpful, as it seems to point out what
    is wrong, but never what is right, but is this a bad
    thing per se? I've always seen postmodernism as an
    exploration of the truth and of the true nature of
    things. Yes this is perhaps a contradiction in terms,
    but wouldn't you rather throw away the dead wood than
    keep hold of it?

    Matt

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