Re: MD The SOL fallacy was the intelligence fallacy (was Rhetoric)

From: Scott Roberts (jse885@localnet.com)
Date: Sun Oct 23 2005 - 07:04:28 BST

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    David M,

    Scott said:
    > [In the hot stove example, Pirsig says that the mystic is on (or closer
    > to)
    > the Dynamic edge of the painful situation. But he also says that the
    > mystic
    > can be on the Dynamic edge of intellectual activity. So I should have
    > acknowledged that about Pirsig's description. But then I have to ask: why
    > is
    > the Dynamic edge of intellectual activity called "pre-intellectual"?. It
    > is,
    > of course, this characterization of DQ (as pre-intellectual) that -- to me
    > at least -- is the basis for my characterization of Pirsig's attitude
    > toward
    > intellect]

    DM: Yes, realised you must mean without before. I think the pre-intellectual
    is a kind of proof that there is more to experience than SQ. But DQ
    obviously
    continues to manifest itself in new ways as the SQ is laid down and creates
    the levels, and I would therefore say that when high level intellectual SQ
    is
    being produced it is only possible because of the SQ that has come before
    it,
    it is not entirely down to DQ. I really think that the whole point of laying
    down the
    levels of SQ to create the cosmos is to explore more and more of what is
    possible, that the point of the limitation that is SQ is to see what it is
    possible
    to achieve via this self-imposed limitation, to seewhat can be reached via
    DQ's creativity. An artist creating their own materials if you like. The
    lower
    levels of creation is fulfilling this need.

    Scott:
    I've got no real quarrel with the general idea here, just that it denies
    intellect the role that you are giving to DQ. As always, I do not understand
    the reluctance to refer to that which lays down "high level intellectual SQ"
    as intellect. We think. We are not just conduits for some divine force.

    - Scott

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