Re: MD Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Sun Oct 30 2005 - 19:34:45 GMT

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    Mike asked: do you ever experience your thinking to be anything other
    > than a purely subjective activity?
    >
    > My suggestion is that, in replying "no" to this question, I place
    > myself in the 4th static level, and distinguish myself from the type
    > of intelligence that preceded intellect. My suggestion is that the
    > subject/object divide is fundamental to what we are. My suggestion is
    > that, at the 4th level, Quality manifests itself as separate
    > intelligences who feel that they are separate.

    > something that springs from inside
    > some shadowy realm inside their heads....But I think we can
    > be very specific about what distinguishes our 4th-level consciousness.
    > In a word: subjectivity.
    >

    Hi Mike

    Do you see subjectivity as an activity springing up inside your head?
    So that opposed to this is a world of passive objects and perhaps
    other subjects with conflicting interests? Well that's the unpleasant
    and confused reality of SOM for you.

    My problem with SOM goes back to its inability to explain the reality
    I actually experience, long before I read about Taoism, romantic idealism,
    phenomenology or MOQ as alternatives.

    I do not live in an alien world of objects in which I find myself as a
    subject.
    My world is entirely humanised, where all things and beings and behaviours
    are located in human in-scriptions, meanings, pre-scriptions, functions,
    roles
    and projects. Bits of metal are money, balls in nets are goals, going into
    a certain building is work, touching lips is an act of love, defining
    financial
    copncepts is intellectualwork, etc. This is the full range of static
    qualities that
    bring us up to the 4th level that makes modern society possible. With an
    SOM interpretation of this SQ we cannot get a handle on what is going on
    and how society and culture is possible. Worse we become just a detached
    and alienated subject, apparently free yet powerless. MOQ is a means
    to understanding that enables us to see how SQ comes into being, but also
    how it is not inevitable or unchallengeable. That we if we can imagine an
    alternative we are free to pursue it.

    regards
    David M

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