From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Mon Nov 14 2005 - 08:07:11 GMT
Hi Paul, good to see you back.
First of all I appreciated the input about the various Qualities (in
your first post) something that goes against the notion of a
QUALITY of which DQ/SQ is a subset, this runs counter to your
earlier view so I hail your honesty.
12 Nov. you wrote:
> I agree with the recent suggestion by Rebecca Temmer that rationality
> is a good definition of the intellectual level. Predictably, I
> disagree with Bodvar that rationality and SOM are identical or even
> inextricable. I have long argued that there exists an 'eastern
> rationality' which is not dependent on the assumptions of a SOM and
> moreover I believe Pirsig considers the MOQ itself to be rational, or
> more accurately, in his words - an expansion of rationality itself. I
> offer the quotes below in support of my assertion.
No-one contest an "eastern rationality", however "not dependent
on SOM" is plain impossible, I mean rationality can be enlarged
but it has to rational first. In moqish: The intellectual level - or
SOM - had to be reached before the MOQ could lodge on top of
it (see PS). IMO there was an Oriental S/O-development, but it
didn't evolve into a SOM thus delaying the next step as it did in
the West. The Eastern culture went on, but because of its "weak"
intellect their Buddhism/Taoism looks like some mystic religion to
us, while it really is an enlarged rationality.
The strong Western intellect - SOM - was an hinderance but also
a blessing, it brought modernity to the West while a most strict
social system remained in the East. When the next step finally
emerged with Pirsig, it had to break an enormously strong S/O
barrier and to do so the MOQ had to be rational enough to satisfy
science, something it only mnages by the SOL interpretation.
Bo
PS
In your absence we have made great strides. I refer to Mike
Hamilton and myself performing the trick of "eating the cake and
keeping it", namely keeping the framework of the MOQ as an
intellectual pattern while simultaneously creating the Q-reality
which "contains" intellect as a static level.
PPS
Your two theses I haven't yet studied yet, but it is promising that
you see the "idealist" annotations in LC needing some
adjustments.
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