Fw: MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality and phenomenology

From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 15 2005 - 19:32:14 GMT

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    From: "David M" <davidint@blueyonder.co.uk>
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    > Hi Paul MOC
    >
    > 100% bang on. And very important in terms of
    > contextualising the MOQ to see how the MOQ
    > lines up with the critique of reason in post-modernism.
    > The MOQ can gain from this and so can post-modernism
    > because the MOQ is a proposal for how to go about
    > getting on once again with the job of advancing reason
    > but more critically.
    > Very important at a time when the problems with SOM
    > grounded reason is making some people turn back
    > to fundamentalist religion. Ties in to Heidegger's concerns
    > about technological thinking and the literal dead end of secularism.
    > I think the difference between MOQ and SOM needs to be
    > seen as an overcoming of western nihilism and secularism
    > in the direction of a broader perspective that goes beyond east-
    > west differences, something the Roy Bhaskar's school of
    > ciritical realism advances too with their emergent and levelled
    > version of dialectic.
    >
    > Where does post-modernism meet MOQ? Here's a few quotes
    > from Dermot Morgan's Introduction to Phenomenology which
    > I think we should all read:
    >
    > "Chapter called: The Suspension of the natural (DM: you could
    > better say normal or cultured, as this is natural in the sense of usual)
    > attitude.
    >
    > Husserl came to believe that the scrutiny of the structure and contents of
    > our
    > conscious experiences was inhibited and deeply distorted by the manner of
    > our engagement with experience in ordinary life, where our practical
    > concerns
    > folk assumptions, and smattering of scientific knowledge all got in the
    > way of a
    > pure consideration of experience as it is given to us....
    >
    > ....We should attend only to the phenomena in the manner of their being
    > given to
    > us, in their mode of givenness. Later, many phenomenologists will appeal
    > to our
    > different way of approaching art works as paradigmatic for revealing
    > different
    > modes of givenness of phenomenon, for example Heidegger's reflection on
    > the art work
    > of Merleau-Ponty's account of the experiences of looking at Cezanne's
    > paintings.....
    >
    > .....Husserl's late focus on prepredicative experience....
    >
    > ....Husserl claims that the world of our ordinary experience is a
    > worldofformed objects
    > obeying universal laws as discovered by science, but the foundational
    > experiences which
    > give ussuch aworld are rather different: 'This experience in its immediacy
    > knows neither
    > exact space not objective time and causality.' Returning to the
    > life-world is to return to
    > experience... before objectification and idealisation....
    >
    > ...Husserl was anxious to give full credit to the scientific view ...But
    > he saw this as an
    > idealisation, as a special construction of the theoretical attitude, one
    > remote from
    > everyday experience.
    >
    > ...This view from nowhere is constructed on, and abstracted from, our
    > ordinary experiences
    > ....One must not think of objects as existing exactly as in the manner in
    > which they are given
    > in a view from nowhere. All objects are encountered perspectivally; all
    > conscious experience
    > occurs in a temporalflow, the nature of which must be recalled in any
    > analysis of human
    > perception. The positing of entities outside experience is ruled out as
    > meaningless.
    >
    > ....Besides rejection nationalist and idealist accouns of
    > reality,phenomenologists in
    > general were also critical of the narrow, reductionist models of human
    > experience
    > found in varieties of 19C empiricism, positivism annd sensationalism.
    > Phenomenology claims to have overcome the basis of this opposition between
    > rationalism
    > and empiricism and indeed to have rejected the subject-object
    > distinction altogether. Phenomenologists claimed that both the traditional
    > concepts
    > of subject and object were philosophical constructions which in fact
    > distorted the true nature
    > of the human experience of the world."
    >
    > Get the link? You can see Husserl doing the thesis 1/2 switching too.
    >
    > Regards
    > David M
    >
    >

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