From: David M (davidint@blueyonder.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 15 2005 - 19:32:14 GMT
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From: "David M" <davidint@blueyonder.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: MD FW: The intellectual level and rationality and phenomenology
> Hi Paul MOC
>
> 100% bang on. And very important in terms of
> contextualising the MOQ to see how the MOQ
> lines up with the critique of reason in post-modernism.
> The MOQ can gain from this and so can post-modernism
> because the MOQ is a proposal for how to go about
> getting on once again with the job of advancing reason
> but more critically.
> Very important at a time when the problems with SOM
> grounded reason is making some people turn back
> to fundamentalist religion. Ties in to Heidegger's concerns
> about technological thinking and the literal dead end of secularism.
> I think the difference between MOQ and SOM needs to be
> seen as an overcoming of western nihilism and secularism
> in the direction of a broader perspective that goes beyond east-
> west differences, something the Roy Bhaskar's school of
> ciritical realism advances too with their emergent and levelled
> version of dialectic.
>
> Where does post-modernism meet MOQ? Here's a few quotes
> from Dermot Morgan's Introduction to Phenomenology which
> I think we should all read:
>
> "Chapter called: The Suspension of the natural (DM: you could
> better say normal or cultured, as this is natural in the sense of usual)
> attitude.
>
> Husserl came to believe that the scrutiny of the structure and contents of
> our
> conscious experiences was inhibited and deeply distorted by the manner of
> our engagement with experience in ordinary life, where our practical
> concerns
> folk assumptions, and smattering of scientific knowledge all got in the
> way of a
> pure consideration of experience as it is given to us....
>
> ....We should attend only to the phenomena in the manner of their being
> given to
> us, in their mode of givenness. Later, many phenomenologists will appeal
> to our
> different way of approaching art works as paradigmatic for revealing
> different
> modes of givenness of phenomenon, for example Heidegger's reflection on
> the art work
> of Merleau-Ponty's account of the experiences of looking at Cezanne's
> paintings.....
>
> .....Husserl's late focus on prepredicative experience....
>
> ....Husserl claims that the world of our ordinary experience is a
> worldofformed objects
> obeying universal laws as discovered by science, but the foundational
> experiences which
> give ussuch aworld are rather different: 'This experience in its immediacy
> knows neither
> exact space not objective time and causality.' Returning to the
> life-world is to return to
> experience... before objectification and idealisation....
>
> ...Husserl was anxious to give full credit to the scientific view ...But
> he saw this as an
> idealisation, as a special construction of the theoretical attitude, one
> remote from
> everyday experience.
>
> ...This view from nowhere is constructed on, and abstracted from, our
> ordinary experiences
> ....One must not think of objects as existing exactly as in the manner in
> which they are given
> in a view from nowhere. All objects are encountered perspectivally; all
> conscious experience
> occurs in a temporalflow, the nature of which must be recalled in any
> analysis of human
> perception. The positing of entities outside experience is ruled out as
> meaningless.
>
> ....Besides rejection nationalist and idealist accouns of
> reality,phenomenologists in
> general were also critical of the narrow, reductionist models of human
> experience
> found in varieties of 19C empiricism, positivism annd sensationalism.
> Phenomenology claims to have overcome the basis of this opposition between
> rationalism
> and empiricism and indeed to have rejected the subject-object
> distinction altogether. Phenomenologists claimed that both the traditional
> concepts
> of subject and object were philosophical constructions which in fact
> distorted the true nature
> of the human experience of the world."
>
> Get the link? You can see Husserl doing the thesis 1/2 switching too.
>
> Regards
> David M
>
>
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