Re: MD Quality, subjectivity and the 4th level Part 1.

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Thu Nov 17 2005 - 09:26:24 GMT

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    David M

    16 Nov. you wrote:

    > I really think that the levels could be sub-divided/differently
    > divided in many ways.

    Well I don't, the level ordering is splendid.

    > I think making a case saying that the divide
    > between SOM and MOQ is very significant is quite possible.

    Finally one agreement.

    > I think
    > that MOQ remains significantly intellectual because it allows for an
    > ordered understanding of patterns in terms of SQ that goes beyond what
    > can be grasped in terms of object-entities

    You are right the MOQ remains intellectual. I don't know if you
    saw my eating-the-cake-and-keeping-it which is as following: The
    MOQ began as a SOM "document", but grew out of its control
    and created a meta-reality of which SOM became its own static
    intellectual level, and its framework will always remain an
    intellectual pattern.

    > so the patterns of
    > subjectivity under SOM become as easily a part of knowledge as
    > chemistry.

    Firstly. What has gone wrong is that the MOQ has become
    identified with intellect's subjective element (through Pirsig's flirt
    with idealism) and as such unable to shake off intellect's S/O
    mantle.

    If you by saying that "subjectivity under SOM become as easily a
    part of knowledge as chemistry" mean that SOM's "S" will
    become as legitimate as its "O"? Yes, definitely but they will be
    intellect's static value nevertheless, the highest ...yet.

    > Of couse,as I hint at the end, placing all patterns under
    > SQ leaves DQ as a no-thing and undefinable via differentiation,

    "All patterns under SQ" goes without saying, and "leaving DQ
    undefined and undefinable" is also a matter of course.

    > and to
    > the extent that MOQ enables DQ to emerge in its glory then the MOQ
    > does offer something more than the mere intellectual understanding of
    > reality. Make sense?

    "More than an intellectual understanding of reality" ...If
    intellectual is SOM? Yes tons of sense!

    Bo

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