From: Platt Holden (pholden@sc.rr.com)
Date: Mon Nov 28 2005 - 22:43:37 GMT
> [Platt to Dan]
> Yes, of course I meant "Lila's Child." I apologize for misnaming your
> wonderful, herculean, (and for Arlo's sake) "individual" effort.
>
> [Arlo]
> Of course, all you are doing is demonstrating you don't grasp at all
> Pirsig's idea of the collective consciousness. Had Dan penned Lila's Child
> after growing up on a desert island with no contact, social language, and
> not having appropriate the ongoing historical dialogue, including Pirsig's
> voice, and the voices of countless others that constitute "Dan", your claim
> would be, perhaps, valid. How, praytell, could Dan have written Lila's
> Child without having the voice of Pirsig in his head, who himself could not
> have written ZMM or Lila without the voices of James, Plato, or Kant.
Had Dan's head not originated the project and followed through, "Lila's
Child" would never have existed in the first place, regardless of other
heads, past or present.
> I'm sure Dan knows this isn't a belittling of his efforts, which you and
> your Randian charlatanism will no doubt try to warp it into. Instead, I
> prefer the ecological metaphor, that gets at the heart of the
> "individual-collective" force (on all levels of the MOQ), and that is the
> notion of the "keystone species".
"Ecological metaphor?" "Keystone species?" I guess those terms haven't
made it yet into your plane of conscious comradeship, except perhaps among
a privileged few? :-).
> Dan may be indeed the "keystone species"
> in the creation of Lila's Child, but could never have done so (or, indeed,
> have imagined doing so) in the absense of the collective consciousness that
> is the historical and temporal dialogue.
I'm sure Dan is delighted to learn he is now to be known as a "keystone
species."
> And from this dialectic between individual and collective (on all MOQ
> levels) emerges higher level organisms, such as the "intellectual idea" of
> the MOQ, to which Dan's Lila's Child and our forum prove is a socially
> constructed idea, consititing of the efforts of Plato, Kant, James, Pirsig,
> Dan, not to mention the countless others whose dialogic interactions gave
> shape to the voices in the heads of those mentioned above.
Socially constructed my arse. No commune produced "Lila's Child." Someone
got the idea and made it happen. In this case, Dan the Man. Which is why
I can say, "Thank you Dan for creating "Lila's Child" as opposed to your
saying "Thank you Lord for the emergence of "Lila's Child and the
miraculous appearance of every other original work since the beginning of
time."
Platt
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