From: Scott R (jse885@spinn.net)
Date: Mon Mar 17 2003 - 05:10:52 GMT
Sam,
I've been away for a week, hence the delay in responding.
Sam asked:
> Now I would summarise your argument (included below) as "no single
electron
> can possess consciousness; no agglomeration of electrons can possess
> consciousness; therefore consciousness cannot evolve". Is that reasonable?
>
> (I haven't tried to list all the various assumptions).
>
> I have one question: why can't consciousness be an emergent property?
Consciousness can (and does) evolve (Barfield's book is all about this, how
our perception is different from that of earlier times). My argument is an
attempt to show that consciousness cannot be an emergent property (that is,
cannot emerge out of non-consciousness). It is a reductio ad absurdum of
what I call the conventional picture of perception, that is, one that
assumes that the fundamental stratum of reality consists of
non-consciousness entities, yet when they get organized in certain complex
ways (i.e., as nervous systems), somehow consciousness happens. Spacetime is
part of that conventional picture. So when mystics speak of
non-spatiotemporal reality, I think they should be listened to.
From the argument, one can conclude that the usual materialist/Darwinian
metaphysical view is untenable, but it doesn't suggest what can or should
take its place. My own inclination is to say that (once one has assimilated
my argument) it makes more sense to say that consciousness is basic, and the
appearance of non-consciousness is derived, than the other way around.
(Dualism is also possible, but I reject that for the usual reasons.) It
shouldn't be assumed, though, that this "basic" consciousness is
subject/object consciousness. You might want to look into Franklin
Merrell-Wolff's book "Philosophy of Consciousness-Without-an-Object" on this
score (he was a mystic, but also trained in philosophy).
- Scott
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