From: David Buchanan (DBuchanan@ClassicalRadio.org)
Date: Sat Apr 05 2003 - 23:49:13 BST
Rick, Sam and all:
> RICK objected:
I think you're blurring the margins again. You seem to be implying that
because the Christian discipline of 'apatheia' involves emotional distancing
and because science involves emotional distancing then science must be
compatible with Christianity (or vice versa). But the logic doesn't flow.
It's saying that because two things share one common feature they must agree
with each other completely.
Sam replied:
I think the difference is to do with the 'intended object', ie what is
studied. Science is simply the discipline of apatheia applied to a
particular form of knowledge - which is ultimately trivial, IMHO. I would
argue that apatheia *includes* science, and that therefore, theology is the
more fundamental or far-reaching intellectual framework.
DMB says:
Once again, Rick has saved me lots of work. I'd only add to his objections
here. While it may be true in the broadest and vaguest of terms that both
"apatheia" and science involve some mental discipline, it seems obvious that
they have little else in common and can hardly be compared. They have
completely different standards, practices and aims. Surrendering your will
to God can hardly be compared to the systematic investigation of the world.
Science is trivial? Gotta give Sam points for orginality on that one. Never
heard that one before. I disagree and think science is awesome, exciting and
profoundly important. And if theology were a more "far-reaching intellectual
framework", then we would use theology to investigate philosophy, rather
than the other way around. Presposterous is exactly the right word; the back
is where the front should be. And if that is not enough, Sam said....
A good case could be made that Newton was the first fundamentalist.
I think science is included within religion.
It's the ideology that says such things *need* to be 'backed up' that is in
question.
Why then were most of the 9/11 leaders people with scientific degrees?
Our fundamental intellectual stance is not a matter of rational enquiry.
DMB continues:
I don't want to actually engage with any of these assertions, but they
provoke a strange kind of morbid curiousity. Is this an April Fools Day
joke? Is it madness? Has Sam so far over-reached that his arm will need to
be surgically re-attached? Ouch! Was there very much blood? I only hope he's
well insured. :-)
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