From: SQUONKSTAIL@aol.com
Date: Tue May 13 2003 - 21:46:50 BST
In a message dated 5/13/03 5:01:15 PM GMT Daylight Time, jhmau@sbcglobal.net
writes:
> On 12 May 2003 1:14PM Squonk writes:
>
> Hi Squonk:
>
> joe: IMO exactly right!
>
> >> The MoQ is a field theory. Dynamic Quality is the undefined field and
>> Static patterns are stable transient eddies.
>>
>> Hope this helps?
>> squonk
>>
>
Hi Joe, Paul,
How does this relate to Paul's assertion that:
Paul: In my opiniion, what your (Steve's) distinction does best is
draw attention to one of the general assumptions that
underpins the MoQ - that 'everything' has a 'view from
within'.
When it comes to understanding the MoQ, I think
anything that draws attention to the general
assumptions it makes can only help bring clarity to
anyone who studies it. And the more people who can
understand the MoQ, the better (starting with me!)
Squonk: I have been wondering about 'the view from within' as a general
assumption made by the MoQ? Is it made at all?
Paul suggests that the MoQ is extruded out of insights into personal
experience of Quality in ZMM and by analogy. Thus, we may wish to suggest an
amoeba would say such and such if it could talk? I feel this ZMM analogy may
be misleading when thinking about the MoQ, because the MoQ is Pirsig's mature
thought and an advance on ZMM.
It is a matter of empirical observation that patterns sharing a relationship
with our patterns may harmonise and become indistinct. In other words, our
patterns and those of others in the same field may coalesce on many levels,
at various times, and in many combinations. However, further empirical
observation reveals that such coalescence's may display severe boundaries
which may be mistaken as a, 'View from within.'
But, a severe boundary may be said to be an extreme example of a more
universal process? As such, the extension of, 'Personal experience' of
Quality is not then merely an extension by analogy to DQ and the MoQ -
personal experience of Quality from a SoM dominated culture is an extreme
example of boundary imposition being broken down.
Therefore, we may wish to say that the 'view from within,' as an extreme
example of static patterning is morally preferable to move away from.
Thus, it may be a general assumption of the MoQ that all patterns rely upon
each other, and maintaining a SoM view from within is selfish and extreme.
Thoughts peoples?
squonk
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