From: johnny moral (johnnymoral@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jun 05 2003 - 16:38:01 BST
Hi Platt,
When you wrote:
"Steve has
championed the interior world with good effect I think, and one way to
kill off SOM for good is to rule out objectivity completely and admit once
and for all that everything we think, know and say about the world is
located somewhere between the ears."
you weren't serious, right? I know you feel there are absolutes, I am
surprised if you feel there is value to killing off SOM completely. The MoQ
doesn't "kill off" SOM, it encompasses it, explains it in a way that values
and respects morality and history and consciousness. There are still
subjects and objects and the work of Quality is to create subjects and
objects - it can't create in any other way. To scoff at the creation
quality has created because it is only a creation is foolish. Quality can
only exist in creation.
I am probably misreading that quote though, I know you are not a solipsist.
>From: "Platt Holden" <pholden@sc.rr.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: RE: MD MOQ human development and the levels
>Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2003 12:19:38 -0400
>
>Hi Scott, Steve, All:
>
> > I've found it useful to see the distinction between social and
>intellectual
> > levels in my own thought, rather than in externals. Social level
>thinking
> > is that which is driven by social concerns, and is not much under my
> > control. What Buddhists call monkey-mind. On examination, one can
>usually
> > see that it is driven by fear, greed, anger, etc. It is the "when he
>said X
> > I should have said Y" kind of internal monologue.
> >
> > Intellectual level thinking is, then, thinking for the thought itself.
>What
> > scientists or philosophers do when they are not influenced by dreams of
> > Nobel prizes or tenure, or sounding good in a discussion group. Or what
> > anyone does when they are being mindful
> >
> > Intellectual thought is autonomous thought -- driven by the thought and
>not
> > the ego of the thinker. (Ego, as I see it, is a social level
>phenomenon).
> >
> > In practice, since the intellectual level is young, the intellectual
> > thought is rare and when present, mixed in with the social (e.g., a
>thought
> > sequence can start on the intellectual level but soon gets overwhelmed
>by
> > social concerns.)
>
>Interesting view of social vs.intellectual levels. Makes me wonder if we
>shouldn't look at all levels as interior phenomenon since the MoQ rests on
>a foundation of observers being a necessary catalyst of reality. Steve has
>championed the interior world with good effect I think, and one way to
>kill off SOM for good is to rule out objectivity completely and admit once
>and for all that everything we think, know and say about the world is
>located somewhere between the ears.
>
>Just read this morning of a new book out by F. H. Buckley entitled "The
>Morality of Laughter." Although restricted to social level ethics, the
>author makes a good argument. As the reviewer writes, "His larger purpose
>is to supplement the dry rationalism of modern life with the aesthetic
>grace that laughter encourages. Any ethics worth its salt helps us not
>merely to live morally but to live well. 'We might,' Mr. Buckley urges,
>'follow all the Commandments and still be dull, priggish and pretentious.'
>Laughter is a tonic antidote to these vices. It is also, Mr. Buckley
>notes, the companion of joy and 'of all things, the ability to find joy in
>life is our chief earthly good.' "
>
>The MoQ should be about finding joy in life as much as explaining how the
>world works. I've often thought that the line near the end of Lila --
>"That's a good dog" -- kinda put a joyful spin on the whole serious
>business of doing metaphysics. Likewise, when Pirsig wrote, "Getting drunk
>and picking up bar ladies and writing metaphysics is part of life," he
>gave us a touch of "aesthetic grace."
>
>Now to find more humor in my own interior musings, something I find rather
>difficult on a day to day basis. But, worth the effort I'm sure. :-)
>
>Platt
>
>
>
>
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