RE: MD Patterns of value.

From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Jul 13 2003 - 00:26:53 BST

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    Brilliant. Don't go Davor, I've only just arrived.

    I too believe Pirsig himself was closer to Nietzsche, than any
    hair-splitting intellectual rationalisations of the MoQ.

    As you say, it's all too easy to fall into the rational trap of
    intellectualising rationales for our "choices", when so much the majority of
    real life is circumstantial, subjective, socially reflective, metaphorical,
    pragmatic, common sense.

    Pirsig gives us a wonderful framework on which to hang all of this, but I do
    worry when I hear people building syllogistic MoQ arguments to "prove"
    anything.

    Ian
    (Life's like that, 'cos that's the way it is.)

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    [mailto:owner-moq_discuss@venus.co.uk]On Behalf Of Destination Quality
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    Subject: RE: MD Patterns of value.

    David

    There's a tendency to believe that
    we make rational choices about our lives, that we assume social roles as a
    matter of rational choice and so we imagine that since we can "think" about
    it and talk about it, well then it must be intellectual. (sound effects;
    Game show buzzer and descending trombone notes.) But that's just not so.
    Most of who and what we think we are is our social identity. (Let's not
    flatter ourselves at the expense of intellectual accuracy.) If the social
    level has been evolving for 160,00 years and the intellectual level for less
    than 3,000 years, then it only stands to reason. :-)

    Bravo DMB Bravo,

    Intellect is a myth, rationality is a myth, philosophy is a myth, freedom is
    myth, free will is a myth, God is a myth, the MOQ is a myth, it is myths all
    the way through. As Nietzsche said myths are the creative force of a
    community;now I see more truth in that than ever before. So you all go ahead
    and convince yourself of your superiority to myths, your sacred rational, my
    time has come, I go to sleep now and when I wake up I believe what I have
    dreamed of for it is my own personal myth, my sanctuary, where I rest and
    find comfort, grace and beauty beyond rationality, I wish you all the best,
    I have learned a lot from you in the past few years but I have my own path
    to follow......be well, take care

    good bye MOQ, Good Bye Robert Pirsig

    davor

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