From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 17 2003 - 00:39:38 BST
Hey Bo, Jon, and all,
B
[Jon] says:
>
> > This is a lot less convuluted if you leave out the Intellectual LEVEL.
> > That the Inorg, Biological and Social levels represent
> > post-intellectual reality is an inocuous truism.
B
> My dictionary don't say what "inocuous" is, but I guess it's enforcing
> the truism content.
R
That's because it's spelled with two n's. "Innocuous - ADJECTIVE: 1. Having
no adverse effect; harmless. 2. Not likely to offend or provoke to strong
emotion; insipid."
B
Rick correctly observed that the static hierarchy is
> NOT post-intellectual-LEVEL. What he calls "intellect" is of course the
> dynamics that brought Intellect out of Society.
R
No. That's not what I was calling "intellect". The "intellect" that I was
referring to is something that exists prior to all 4 levels and DQ (prior to
any categorizations of experience at all!), and subsequent only to the one,
undivided Quality.
B
All levels are post-DQ,
> that is a truism, but it makes MOQ a joke to insist that the levels -
> along with MOQ itself ...DQ INCLUDED - are intellectual patterns.
> Calling it post-intellectual doesn't make the slightest difference.
> Where's everybody's logic?
R
I think it's very logical. Quality is the one, undivided reality. ALL
hierarchical interpretive categorizations of Quality (ie. subject/object,
romantic/classic, Dynamic/static) must exist subsequent to experience.
B
> Your truism is a MOQ equivalent of SOM's solipsism "everything-in-
> our-minds"....
R
It's not solipsism Solipsism is the position that 'everything I am aware of
is in my own mind". My argument (which I believe to be very close to
Pirsig's own) is that everything we are aware of is Quality, but all
categorizations of Quality are in our minds.
B
> Hope I don't sound like Squonk.
R
It never even crossed my mind.
take care
rick
Life is a train of moods like a string of beads; and as we pass through them
they prove to be many colored lenses, which paint the world their own hue,
and each shows us only what lies in its own focus. - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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