From: Valence (valence10@hotmail.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2003 - 16:38:26 BST
Hey Jon, Bo, David, and all,
For DMB, if you're out there, I am planning to respond to your points in the
'intellectually nowhere' thread, but I know you only post on the weekend so
I'm holding my comments until then. Now back to Jon...
> RICK to Jonathan [edited by J]
> In your first sentence you correctly noted that my argument was that the
> '4th level intellect' and the 'pre/post intellect' are not the same thing.
> [snip] you need to show that both "intellects" are, in fact, the same [to
> support
> your objection] that I'm putting the one and only "intellect" into two
> different
> parts of the MoQ.
> Jonathan replies:
> Fair point, but I can equally well throw it back at you and ask you to
show
> the difference.
R
Yes you could, but that was my very point. Your comment didn't get us past
the original dispute.
J
> Why use the same word when you mean two different things? Are you sure
they
> are different?
R
Sure? No, I'm not really sure of anything. But that's the explanation that
makes the most sense to me right now.
J
> As I see it, there are an infinity of potential SQ patterns which may be
> left out.
> One can never be sure of encompassing them all within a metaphysical
> hierarchy.
> David B. may claim that everything fits neatly, but you show me a
> classification
> (e.g. Pirsig's 4 levels), and I'll find you some platypi.
R
I agree with that too. But again, I don't think it's on point because I
don't think that your 3-level scheme merely leaves out some platypuses (just
so you know...'platypi' is not the plural of platypus, it's 'platypuses' in
all of my dictionaries). I think it leaves out an entire order of
experience, a whole level of patterns.
J
> Rick, you asked me to elaborate more on abstract concepts and levels of
> awareness. I think that is best left for another post....
R
Fair enough. Whenever you feel up to it :-)
take care
rick
Imagination is the living power and prime agent of all human perception. -
Samuel Taylor Coleridge
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