From: Ian Glendinning (ian@psybertron.org)
Date: Sun Aug 31 2003 - 20:58:24 BST
David (B)
You asked
It is a word used by those who insist there is no
ground to stand upon, no?
I say
I guess you're right in unpicking the metaphor that way.
No (absolutely fixed) ground to stand on in any metaphysical / philosophical
context.
Your ground must be chosen / assumed / presumed.
And may I remind people I only used the word because Pirsig used it.
Ian
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Sent: 31 August 2003 19:51
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Subject: RE: MD What comes first?
Ian and any interested persons:
Ian said:
There is a great (prototypical) example of "bootstrapping" in here.
"... within a sensible framework, and while the starting assumptions .."
Such starting assumptions are your bootstrap for the framework.
dmb says:
I'm very tempted to let it go, but... Here's what I'm thinking. The
expression "pull yourself up by your own bootstraps" refers to a gravity
defying act. Translating that into a philosophical context seems to suggest
that that bootstrapping is a solution to a problem with metaphysical
foundations or starting points. I'm still guessing at this point, but
something tells me that it must be different and more specific than just a
starting assumption. It is a word used by those who insist there is no
ground to stand upon, no?
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