From: AgentRaine@aol.com
Date: Thu Sep 18 2003 - 01:34:08 BST
In a message dated 9/17/2003 6:53:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
gjpeeters@home.nl writes:
> Sometimes I can't follow the moq threads. They become to complex with to
> many philosophy statements and names a beginner doesn't know. I'm mostly
> reading the beginning of a thread, until my 'learning curve' gets to steep.
> I get blown away by the knowledgeburst most of you can ignite. I end up
> reading posts that one can only understand if you have read a dozen books
> beforhand. I back out and start reading a new thread until the same happens.
> I experience it as a low-quality event not being able to have enough
> gunpowder to join the forces.
i am in absolute agreement with you here. I have joined the moq thread about
two or three weeks ago and found myself unable to keep up. many of the
discussions do seem to turn into yes and no exercises. they are tiring, and i have
found them.. i hesitate to say... of low quality.
which sucks, because everyone had such interesting bio's when i joined the
thread. i just don't have the time to 'bone up' on all the philosophologist
lingo. which i just know i would have to make my reigning passion if i actually
wanted to take anything original i've ever thought of philosophically out of the
realm of dynamic quality (or shall i just say 'my' quality') and translate it
into the realm of social/intellectual quality... because let's face it..
philosophology is a little of both. right now i'm too busy stuffing my head with
architectural stuff trying to get into school.
which brings me to my debutante paragraph, or what brought me here. which is
not only that Robert Pirsig helped me to intellectually deal with a
classic-romantic split that shook my family apart... but he helped me to deal with the
intellectual reasons why my emotionally blank structural engineer dad might be
rejecting my 'liberal arts' mentality. and Pirsig, bless him, spoke clear and
concisely, and *non condescendingly enough* to bang this into my head when i
was sixteen. not to mention spark an interest in philosophy... but he did
something great for me.. he helped bring ideas together instead of taking them
apart; he filled in the holes of the world that didn't quite make sense. if that
sounds like a wayward kid looking for guidance from anywhere thats exactly
what it was.
but what kept me going back... isn't what he says.. but how he thinks.. or
the spirit of how he thinks.. the greatest writers... the ones i devour...
sometimes i feel i could read their laundry list and be happy.. because their
genuis isn't just in what their words imply, for the world of men, philosophy,
whatever... its how their written. and the spirit that they're written in... i
feel closer to men i've never met than some people i see every day. Robert
Pirsig, Leonard Cohen, Ralph W. Emerson, T.S. Eliot.. to name a few.. and those are
just mine...
I know that i'm probably just intimidated by all of this... i don't mind
getting it in my inbox everyday. i follow the paths that are presented when i have
time. and sometimes following the paths is interesting. but sometimes the
landscape seems overall barren and lifeless.
i don't have to repeat the squirrel-around-a-tree anecdote from "Lila" (yes i
think Lila was better; i'm glad i found MOQ just to know that i'm not alone)
.. but neither am i going to provoke a topic of discussion. i'm waaaaaay too
intimidated for that. So carry on, as you were soldiers, just wanted to
respond to a fellow lurker....
as an aside: i have noticed that i love....absolutely love... movies where
the theme is the character discovering... (or being) the Dynamic Quality that
breaks up static social qualities... from MacMurphy in One Flew Over the
Cuckoo's Nest... to Spacey's character in American Beauty... to the cubicle-bound
hero of "Office Space"... all radically different films, all about the same
thing... dynamic quality stepping in and making a goddamned mess of the place. if
anyone else can name any movies that do the same.. i know they're there but i
can't remember them.
"New York... is always going to hell...Somehow, it never quite gets there..."
-R.P., "Lila"
----Raine
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