RE: MD Truth

From: Paul Turner (
Date: Mon Oct 20 2003 - 13:26:45 BST

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    Hi Mark

    Truth is closely connected, perhaps inseparable from reason and

    I think static truth [that is high quality intellectual patterns] is, as
    you suggest, mostly recognised in what we have come to call reason and
    rationality. You referred to conventional truth in a previous post, and
    I think that equates to static truth - along the lines of the pragmatist
    understanding of "what works in the way of belief," where "what works"
    is a kind of quality. For many there is another "truth" of course, which
    is recognised without intellectual imposition. You called it "ultimate
    truth" in a previous post and in a way I think you are right, but I
    think it is easy to confuse the conventional meaning of truth as
    something fixed and attainable with what you mean by "ultimate truth,"
    which I think has to be continually rediscovered.

    This being the case, would it be helpful to view truth as an instrument?
    Truth is valuable as a methodology; there appear to be a great number of
    rational methodologies from which to choose.

    As you have previously stated, the conception of "reason" and
    "rationality" seems to have stemmed from an apprehension of ratio. Ratio
    [any connection to rta?] is found in relationships, it is how things fit
    together. More than that, it is a preference for a particular way of
    fitting things together. Truth then may be seen, to some degree, as a
    measure of how well things [observations, hypotheses, solutions etc.]
    are fitted together. It is, at some stage in a methodology, a value

    This reminded me of something David Bohm talked about; I dug out this
    quote from "On Creativity":

    "In this art of life as a whole we have to be both creative artists and
    skilled artisans. We are thus always in the act of fitting an
    ever-changing reality so that there is no fixed or final goal to be
    attained. Rather, at each moment the end and the means are both to be
    described as the action of making every aspect fit.

    This notion of fitting extends into all aspects of life, including even
    those which have been called "moral" or "ethical" and which have to do
    with "the good". The word "good" is indeed derived from an Anglo-Saxon
    root (the same as that of "gather" and "together") which means "to
    join." And so it may be suggested that early notions of "the good"
    implied some kind of "fitting together" in all that man does. The fact
    that the Latin word "bene", meaning "good", and the word "bellus",
    meaning "beauty", are related in origin further confirms the suggestion
    that this is generally how people may have looked on such questions.
    Recalling that beauty means "to fit in every respect", we could say that
    such a significance of "the good" is still relevant today. In other
    words, the good is that which fits, not only in practical function and
    in our feelings and aesthetic sensibilities, but also that which, by its
    action, leads to an ever wider and deeper sort of fitting, in every
    phase of life, both for the individual and for society as a whole." [On
    Creativity p.87]

    Which also reminds me of...

    "The world comes to us in an endless stream of puzzle pieces that we
    would like to think all fit together somehow, but that in fact never do.
    There are always some pieces like platypi that don't fit and we can
    either ignore these pieces or we can give them silly explanations or we
    can take the whole puzzle apart and try other ways of assembling it that
    will include more of them. When one takes the whole ill-shaped,
    misfitting structure of a subject-object explained universe apart and
    puts it back together in a value-centred metaphysics, all kinds of
    orphaned puzzle pieces fit beautifully that never fit before." [Lila

    Does this indicate that reason is value driven?

    Indeed, it indicates that reason is part of the same process that drives
    all activity, which according to the MOQ, is value.



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