From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Oct 31 2003 - 18:18:23 GMT
Is the doctor telling me the truth, hope so, he has the white coat,
the office, the nurse, shame he is an imposter, in fact, all the stuff
a doctor has to convince you he is a doctor shows just how problematic
it is knowing if he is one or not, he's got the certificate, good chance he
did the
study, or did he buy it from the black market? never mind as long as the
drugs still
work, what a lot of trouble truth is, of course, sometimes the drugs are a
bit dodgy,
truth, what's that? just memory, static patterns of quality? well it worked
last time
we lanced it... but then we use DQ to find it is a new type of boil you
should not lance,
and we got a new truth, provisional, provisional, provsional.......
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: MD What makes an idea dangerous?
> Wim,
>
> Wim said:
> Shouldn't the idea that something can be a 'lie' (i.e. be inconsistent
with objective reality) be dropped in a MoQ-based culture?
>
> Platt said:
> Definitely not. A culture, MOQ-based or otherwise, will fall apart if
truth standards are up for grabs. Imagine what life it would like if you
couldn't trust you doctor, your electrician, or your plumber.
>
> Matt:
> I think Wim has pointed out an interesting observation. The idea of a
"lie" as being inconsistent with objective reality should be dropped.
That's what is dropped in a culture where truth is not an object of inquiry
that you can get wrong. What's funny, is that Platt's answer is the same
thing I would say, "a culture ... will fall arpart if truth standards are up
for grabs". In a pragmatist culture, be it MoQian or otherwise, truth
standards aren't all up for grabs, they are just recognized as having the
ability to change, like the change between Ptolemy and Galileo. Galileo
wasn't more true, or closer to Truth, he had different standards, standards
that we consider better. I see Platt as trying to dress up the practical,
everyday stuff that pragmatists would agree to, in the rhetoric of
objectivism. I think Wim is right to poke fun at this.
>
> Matt
>
>
>
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