From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Tue Nov 04 2003 - 19:57:37 GMT
Come to think of it, I much prefer
a completely different idea of truth,
truth is Tao, the way, the path.
It is all about dynamic choice.
Stuff all the correspondence non-sense.
We just need to unblock some problems
in the way, like inequality, that degrades
both master and slave.
regards
DM
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> Hi Johnny,
>
> Your comment (11/03/2003): "I don't think Rorty is wrong about anything, I
just think it obfuscates because it seems to put the focus too far down the
line and doesn't highlight the dependence on history and morality. When he
says
> truth is a cultural phenomen, it seems to denigrate truth, culture, and
> phenomenons all at the same time, when what is called for is great respect
> of these things."
>
> Andy: I have had similar reservations about Rorty in the past. However,
the more I have read of him, the more convinced I am that he does have great
respect for these things. Especially American culture. Rorty does
highlight history and morality, in fact, much more so than most
philosophers. I think the reservations you have don't come from Rorty, but
rather from particular baggage each of us carry around about ideas like
truth, morality and culture.
>
> Johnny: It is right that morality and truth are maleable, but it
> is morality and truth that hold themselves together even as they change.
> Rorty seems to be saying that it is US that do that, and that makes people
> upset. The respect should be given to Morality, not us, as we are just
one
> of Morality's creations.
>
> ANdy: Well, I don't think I can buy that. Saying that we are morality's
creations gets back to the idea of a divine creator, which pragmatists think
is irrelevant to truth and morality. I addressed this in a little more
detail in a post on 11/01/2003 to DMB (same thread as this). WHen you say
morality and truth hold themselves together, you don't tell us how they do
that. Pirsig says ideas are contained in language which is only possible if
we have a society. From a quote of Pirsig's I used earlier today in
responding to DMB, "Without society there is no intellect since there would
be no one to talk to anyone else and thus no language to speak and thus to
contain the idea." We do hold these ideas together through communication and
agreement. I don't see how morality and truth can do this on their own
without our help.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>
>
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