From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Fri Nov 28 2003 - 19:05:16 GMT
Hi
Well for me DQ is the heart of religion.
God is probably the name for a great many misconceptions
about the cause/nature of religious experience.
In fact many religions are a form of fear of DQ,
as Nietzsche explains, and the desire for safe SQ.
Certain Eastern religions have clearly been closer
to the reality of DQ.
regards
David M
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> On 27 Nov 2003 at 18:33, Steve Peterson wrote:
>
> > Hi Nathan, David,
>
> > Nathan said:
> > > "Volumes line library shelves in which human authors have described
> > > what they call "the Doctrine of God"
>
> > David M said:
> > > And as you hint mystics and others have written as many volumes that
> > > agree with your proposition that the Being of God cannot be
> > > conceptualised or described but you can dance all round the reality
> > > of unconceptualisable dynamic quality.
>
> > What seems like an important difference between the two camps is that
> > on the conceptualized God side every religion has something different
> > to say about what God is and what God's will is while the mystics in
> > every religion seem to all be saying the same thing, so I tend to
> > think there is something to what the mystics say.
>
> All
> I did not know what message to hijack, but I must point to the MOQ
> being a METAPHYSICS: the greatest ordering of reality there is and
> no religion - or sect - and does not deliver "how/what to do" answers,
> thanks God :-).
>
> It treats religion in the sense of seeing the revelationary kind -
> Judaism, early Christianity Islam ...etc as (social) myths, but NOT in
> the SOM sense of being "just" ...inventions, fairy-tales ...etc. but as a
> value level patterns , transcended by intellect, yet an important part of
> existence, as real as the other levels.
>
> DMB (23 Nov.)
>
> > myths really are. Once we take a look at that, it becomes very clear
that
> > myths were never intended as a means for the investigation of nature or
as
> > any kind of scientific explanation of the world. Instead, we can see
that
> > the cosmology stories serve a psychological function, they help the
> > individual understand his function and place in the society. Pirsig's
> > social level is larger than mythology, but is extremely helpful, maybe
> > even essential, to understanding what he's refering to.
>
> This is the hardest point in understanding the MOQ: If one insist on
> religions either being objectively TRUE or subjective nonsense, then
> one is in SOM and sees reality through its S/O glasses.
>
> However, there are other religions than the Semitic ones - Buddhism
> and Taoism preferably - and as I understand it, Pirsig sees these as
> some proto-MOQs arrived at long since. In my opinion Christianity is
> by now in some quasi socio-intellectual stage: one camp drops
> reason, while the other tries to find proofs for it (evolutionary).
> According to LILA's RTA part the intellectual stage was arrived at -
> and transcended - by Eastern tradition, thus the sojourn in intellect for
> Christianity better be a short one.
>
> In my opinion
> Bo
>
>
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