Re: MD The MOQ: An expansion of rationality

From: skutvik@online.no
Date: Sat Jan 17 2004 - 08:56:06 GMT

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    Steve

    16 Jan. you wrote:
                
    (from the previous letter)
    > Do you prefer "the value of S/O distinctions" to "the value of truth"
    > for defining intellect?

    I thought this was an invitation and replied with high hopes:

    > > We agree. Intellect is the value of the true/false
    > > (objective/subjective) distinction.
    > Doh!
    > The true/false distinction does not equate with objective/subjective
    > by any stretch.  It is objectively false that I was born 1000 years
    > ago.  It is subjectively true that my favorite color is green.  Truth
    > applies to both objective and subjective experience.

    We agree and disagree. The lie/truth distinction is as old as mankind and can't be directly compared to the subjective/objective one. Armed with intellect's S/O "measuring rod" (or scale) we now look down at the past and say that ancient people "believed" that ...f.ex the Gods lived on the Olympus, but this "belief/objective knowledge" attitude was unknown to them; the Gods were reality itself to them - beyond questioning. But a person claiming to be 1000 years old would be deemed a liar. 

    > I hope we can come to agreement on identifying and evaluating
    > intellectual patterns on a true/false scale of value  with
    > subjective/objective knowledge distinctions as a subset of all
    > intellectual truth distinctions.

    Again these mysterious "intellectual patterns" that supposedly can be evaluated against a  "true/false" grid (pattern)! See, you deem them intellectual in beforehand! What if an intellectual pattern fails the intellectual test? Where is it to be placed? Don't you see that it is the measuring rod, scale or grid which is INTELLECTUAL VALUE?

    "Subjective/objective knowledge distinction as a subset of all intellectual truth distinctions" ...fails me. What is intellect except the false/true in the grander S/O form?.  I still hope that we are on to some understanding.

    IMO
    Bo 

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