From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Feb 11 2004 - 19:00:38 GMT
Hi Poot
the list of Yes fans at this site is positively
bulging for some strange reason, anyone else want
to confess?
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: MD Speaking of musical excellence
> Hello Platt,
>
> You said: No one is writing classical music today? Check out:
>
>
http://dir.yahoo.com/Entertainment/Music/Artists/By_Genre/Classical/Compose
> rs/20th_Century_and_Contemporary/
>
> I say: Well, I did not say that classical music is not being written.
What
> I said was that no one writes music like mozart today. Mozart was a
musical
> genius, the likes I have not heard of in today's society.
>
> You said: What emotions are you talking about? Have feelings of love and
> hate
> changed in the past 300 years?
>
> I say: Perhaps the emotions of love and hate have not changed. This does
> not mean that his music is solely a reflection of his emotions. Would not
> his surroundings, which give rise to the events of his life, which made
him
> draw certain conclusions, which also made him feel a certain way after
> things happen to him. It is like saying if I had lived in the past, I
would
> feel exactly the same emotions as I did then, in exactly the same way.
> Because our world is different, every aspect of his life would change. He
> would have to also manage modern elements of our current world, which did
> not exist in his time. Many principles are similar, but not the same. If
> Mozart was still a musical genius at some comparable level today, he would
> never have become so poor(unless he spent his money like michael jackson).
>
> Mozart lived in a world without technology. There are many, many,
> instruments that have been invented or discovered (eastern music) that
would
> have a profound impact on his music. What if mozart had taken some trips
to
> japan or india when he was touring the world? I could not see this as
> having any small affect on his music.
>
>
> You said: In addition to emblazoning "Truth is a species of good" on every
> page of
> the MOQ syllabus I'd add "Some things are better than others." In other
> words, great art is drenched in Spirit while lesser art (like most art
> being created today) is as Spiritually dry as dust. What's more, I claim
> all of us can tell the difference! (Recall Pirsig's experiment with his
> students regarding their ability to discern quality writing.)
>
> I say: O.k. So there is a large quantity of crap being produced today,
> which is little more than a few notes jotted on paper, etc. In Mozarts
> time, was most of the music being produced good? I would say no. there
> were a small amount of composers/artists who were truly good. Spirit was
in
> their music. How about the other 90% of the music? Most of it was folk
> music. All of the rest, was written by people trying to make money off of
> sounding like mozart, or whoever was good at the time. There is something
> to be said for originality.
>
> You said: Many art authorities agree, so it's not ridiculous at all.
> Collective
> judgments of experts brings purely subjective opinions closer to
> objectivity.
>
> I say: Many authorities also rebuke pirsigs theories. Does that make
them
> right, or closer to being right? It may seem so.
>
>
> You said: What are you talking about? Please give examples. Are you
talking
> about
> Snoop Doggy Dog?.
>
>
> I say: Well, as I dont listen to Snoop Dogg, I couldn't say for sure.
But
> looking at some of the artists, and the places they grew up in, how can
you
> expect them to compose like Mozart?
> Illiteracy and ineducation are maing factors.
>
> However, I will give you a top pick list of artists I either listen to,
or
> have listened to, which I consider to be good;
> (Current at top)
> King Crimson
> Yes
> Buck-65 ('rap')
> Pink Floyd
> RadioHead
>
> It is the aim towards quality that makes a difference for me. Also, to say
> that these artists don't put their spirit fully into their music is a lie.
> Listen to 'The Wall' , by Roger Waters (and the rest of Pink Floyd) in its
> entirety ,. and tell me there is not great spirit in that.
>
>
> Time is short, so I cant continue.
>
> What do you think?
>
>
> Poot
>
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