From: Sam Norton (elizaphanian@tiscali.co.uk)
Date: Wed Mar 10 2004 - 14:18:00 GMT
Hi DMB, Matt,
A brief one. I'll answer Matt properly when I get a chance to write a bit more.
DMB said:
> I would like to challenge both Sam and Matt to answer a question: How do
> Pirsig's assertions solve the "liberal contradiction"? I think there is a
> good answer in Lila and I think both of you guys are entirely capable of
> seeing it. I know you CAN. I only wonder why you WON'T. Its weird.
As Matt pointed out, "Its what happens when public schools say that they don't teach values at
school, and religionists respond that the "secular humanism" they teach is a set of values. These
are actually the types of connumdrums [sic] that Pirsigians have no patience with because we already
know that no thing is valueless." So to my mind, a large part of why the MoQ is healthy is that it
precisely denies the secularity of liberal humanism. Which, despite his argument, I still think
place Matt in an awkward spot. But my main point to Matt relates more to allowing DQ innovation in
the liberal system he's defending. But to explain that is going to take quite a while.....
Sam
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