From: steve (arborealman@comcast.net)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 02:38:47 GMT
Hello Matt. Yes and no. Like the 7 musical notes creating a seemingly
infinite variety of music im sure the supply of fresh thoughts is
inexaustible. What I meant was more along the lines of comprehension. Like
when kids sit looking at the stars saying well whats beyond the last star?
Abrick wall. well whats beyond that? more stars? We finnally settled on
pretty much a series of brick walls and stars forever. Its easy enough to
say that you understand that space is infinite, but to truly get your mind
around it takes some doing. So it is with quality . As Pirsig said words are
just symbols we use to communicate. Objects are easy. A ball is a ball,
everybody agrees and we're all happy.Things get tricky attempting to
communicate ideas such as Pirsigs perception of quality. I think this is the
reason we get so tied up in sementics trying to wrestle the meaning out of
these ideas and convey them to another person. Steve P.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Matthew Poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
> Hello Steve,
>
>
> By this message, do you suggest that ..our thoughts...our bound by the
laws
> of the physical realm? That our paths of thinking, our finite?
>
>
>
> Matt
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: steve <arborealman@comcast.net>
> To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 4:46 PM
> Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
>
>
> > to two cents; In my humble opinion, many of the attributes of matter
point
> > to it having been created. most obviosly, the principle of thermodanamic
> > conservation. Simply put this states that you cannot get something for
> > nothing. if for example you want to move a book you must first overcome
> the
> > weight[mass] then any associated friction. Calories will be burned, you
> will
> > need to replace them. All will be precisely accounted for no more no
less.
> > This holds for dust particles to stars. It is one of the most tested and
> > trusted laws of physics.-The universe stands as a huge violation of this
> > principle. A single atom would be a huge violation. Since matter has no
> > infinite properties it should not ever exist. Not a single particle.
> > Infinite nothing for ever and ever Amen. As this is not so it strongly
> > suggests a creater. The creater probably does not sit on a throne and
> > resemble Santa Clause. To pull off this trick the creater is probably
> > infinite.[exactly what he said he was when we were still on speaking
> > tearms].I use the tearm he for simplicity.I do not think it's possible
for
> a
> > finite mind to grasp the infinite. Hence the problems getting a good
hold
> on
> > quality. Steve P. -----
> > From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
> > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
> > Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
> >
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > >
> > > Platt:Just so we're on the same page, I'm using the Webster dictionary
> > > definition of faith as "firm belief in something for which there is no
> > > proof." My question boils down to: How can faith constitute proof?
> > >
> > >
> > > Me(I): I think that the debate over the existence of a god(s) to be
> > > pointless. There is not, and will never be any definite proof of gods
> > > existence. Atheists can argue all they want that God does not exist,
> yet
> > > there is no way they can prove this, since god is not a physical
being,
> > and
> > > not detectable in any physical realm.
> > >
> > > Also, for those who say that god exists, there is no definite proof of
> > gods
> > > existence. If we were to say "What would the world be like, once we
> > > subtracted god??" Things would still operate , live, function, etc.
in
> > > much the same way they do now.
> > >
> > > Hypothetically speaking, if we were to prove one day, that God
does/n't
> > > exist, what would that change? Really.....it should not change a
thing
> > > about how we live our day to day lives. To do something good, just to
> > > appease a god, isn't as good as doing something good, for the sake of
> > doing
> > > something good.
> > >
> > > ^
> > > My 2 cents. ---^
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > POOT
> > >
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