Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity

From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Wed Mar 24 2004 - 18:11:27 GMT

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    Hi Steve

    I think I agree with this. Any thoughts on how we
    go from something infinite (in terms of potential I assume)
    to this finite cosmos, i.e. something with a more limited
    potential? A step rather like SQ appearing out of DQ.

    DM

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "steve" <arborealman@comcast.net>
    To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 9:46 PM
    Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity

    > to two cents; In my humble opinion, many of the attributes of matter point
    > to it having been created. most obviosly, the principle of thermodanamic
    > conservation. Simply put this states that you cannot get something for
    > nothing. if for example you want to move a book you must first overcome
    the
    > weight[mass] then any associated friction. Calories will be burned, you
    will
    > need to replace them. All will be precisely accounted for no more no less.
    > This holds for dust particles to stars. It is one of the most tested and
    > trusted laws of physics.-The universe stands as a huge violation of this
    > principle. A single atom would be a huge violation. Since matter has no
    > infinite properties it should not ever exist. Not a single particle.
    > Infinite nothing for ever and ever Amen. As this is not so it strongly
    > suggests a creater. The creater probably does not sit on a throne and
    > resemble Santa Clause. To pull off this trick the creater is probably
    > infinite.[exactly what he said he was when we were still on speaking
    > tearms].I use the tearm he for simplicity.I do not think it's possible for
    a
    > finite mind to grasp the infinite. Hence the problems getting a good hold
    on
    > quality. Steve P. -----
    > From: "Matt poot" <mattpoot@hotmail.com>
    > To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
    > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:39 AM
    > Subject: Re: MD religious content & necessity of necessity
    >
    >
    > > Hello,
    > >
    > >
    > > Platt:Just so we're on the same page, I'm using the Webster dictionary
    > > definition of faith as "firm belief in something for which there is no
    > > proof." My question boils down to: How can faith constitute proof?
    > >
    > >
    > > Me(I): I think that the debate over the existence of a god(s) to be
    > > pointless. There is not, and will never be any definite proof of gods
    > > existence. Atheists can argue all they want that God does not exist,
    yet
    > > there is no way they can prove this, since god is not a physical being,
    > and
    > > not detectable in any physical realm.
    > >
    > > Also, for those who say that god exists, there is no definite proof of
    > gods
    > > existence. If we were to say "What would the world be like, once we
    > > subtracted god??" Things would still operate , live, function, etc. in
    > > much the same way they do now.
    > >
    > > Hypothetically speaking, if we were to prove one day, that God does/n't
    > > exist, what would that change? Really.....it should not change a thing
    > > about how we live our day to day lives. To do something good, just to
    > > appease a god, isn't as good as doing something good, for the sake of
    > doing
    > > something good.
    > >
    > > ^
    > > My 2 cents. ---^
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > POOT
    > >
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