From: David MOREY (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Thu Apr 01 2004 - 19:39:20 BST
Hi Matt
Good points here, you are right about Marx's views
on capitalism. By the way did nice Dewey
essay in Philosophy Now this month about his love letters
and their relationship to his philosophy. Also an essay
about virtue, morality and self help books. Subjects discussed:
self-knowledge, love, self-love, adventurousness, selfishness, rationality,
self-interest, friendliness, openness, responsibility, discipline, courage,
wisdom, imagination, reverence, self-acceptance, devotion, intensity,
emotional expression, depth, forcefulness, wonder, flexibility,
organisation,
honesty, sense of humour, freedom, spontaneity, ...apparently different
self-help books esteem all these different qualities, a sort of soulfulness
or
soul-science, something we are otherwise missing/seeking I guess.
Any thoughts on self-help books folks?
I wonder how we look at these values from MOQ perspective.
regards
David M
----- Original Message -----
From: "MATTHEW PAUL KUNDERT" <mpkundert@students.wisc.edu>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:09 AM
Subject: Re: MD secular humanism and dynamic quality
>
> What I think about us being in danger of losing our souls is that one of
the dangers of the good of industrial-capitalism (its ability to allow more
people than ever before comfort and free time) is catching "affluenza," the
sickness of being materially acquisitive and money-orientated. What I think
some people forget is that even Marx had praise for capitalism. What he
wanted to say, though, is that it was one stage in an historical dialectic
that was going to move further. So, Marx did think that capitalism was a
good move for medieval societies, it did do some good, it did cure some
ills. But like whenever we wipe out old diseases, new ones pop up. Unlike
Marx, I think dealing with "affluenza" has very little to do with a radical
change in our economic system. The world's experimented with centralized
planning, it was a grand failure. We should all learn something important.
>
> Matt P said:
> Do you think that capitalism supports anything other than centralization?
Currently, what state would you say the welfare system is in?
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