From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
Date: Sun Apr 25 2004 - 03:45:44 BST
dmb:
Its not purely theoretical, if that's what you mean.
Mark: I see, cheers. That aspect of transpersonal psychology/spiritual domain
which is theoretical is provided by developmental psychologists and
respectable sources.
That aspect of transpersonal psychology/spiritual domain which is not
theoretical is empirical - open to direct experience.
dmb:
His brand of empiricism resembles Pirsig's in that sensory experience is not
the only kind of valid empirical experience.
Mark: Pirsig's empiricism begins with Quality. I think i have got that about
right? What does Wilbur's empiricism begin with? Consciousness?
dmb:
The levels of consciousness described by Wilbur is certainly based on data,
even if it is not seen with the eye of flesh.
Mark: Wilbur has synthesised his description based on reports and his own
experience? This is exciting, because i should be able to experience and verify
the same thing for myself?
Unless it takes special preparation to explore the spiritual domains? I'm
lazy in that regard!
dmb:
Its based on the reports of countless spiritual explorers, the findings of
dozens of developmental psychologists, and other sources a reasonable person can
respect.
There are many theories about it, but they are based on actual experience.
Wilbur tries to bring all the various theories together and essentially uses
that to paint an evolutionary metaphysics very like the MOQ, except with a lot
more detail. (20 books instead of 2)
Mark: You've partly answered my question regarding metaphysics. Wilbur's
metaphysics is evolutionary, but what is evolving? I imagine it is consciousness
that is evolving?
Consciousness is the stuff of reality? I expect Wilbur comes in for the same
criticism of his metaphysics as Pirsig does, the old metaphysics deals with
definitions chestnut?
I know i've carped on with the questions, but my knowledge of Wilbur's
metaphysics is poor.
All the best,
Mark
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