From: Joe (jhmau@sbcglobal.net)
Date: Tue May 25 2004 - 21:41:20 BST
On 23 May 2004 22:05 Mark Steven Heyman writes:
msh says:
I see the unfinished in intellect; I see the order in social; don't
understand "purpose" at the biological. What do you mean?
joe: IMO gravity ruthlessly applied admits of no purpose. Yet the
individuals of the organic order feed to exist. Somehow the randomness of
gravity has evolved to feeding. The dynamic of feeding of organic evolution
is a metaphysical degenerate I call 'purpose'.
joe said:
To gravity he attributes a ruthlessness. Dynamic Quality is movement
to and away from something. I can't be neutral about it.
msh:
I see DQ always as a positive, something always pushing us forward.
Not sure what you mean by movement away. We either fight gravity or
succumb to it, so no neutrality. But, IMO, DQ is experienced only
when we STOP fighting. Whadaya think?
joe: I am thinking of creation, destruction, and preservation as
metaphysical degenerates of DQ. Preservation is SQ! In the story of the
Brujo the 'destruction' of the priest's power was important. As for the
Brujo: "he was just following some vague sense of 'betterness' that he
couldn't have defined if he had wanted to." Creation! The movement is not
always to something better, but sometimes away from obstacles. IMO DQ is
not just experienced when we stop fighting, but it can be the lure that
draws us into the fight. I like Mark's terminology in The Edge of Chaos
"Coherence and tension". The morality in the levels is an awareness that 'I
want' without being aware of what 'I' am.
Joe Maurer is going away for a wedding.
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