From: David Morey (us@divadeus.freeserve.co.uk)
Date: Sat May 29 2004 - 13:57:07 BST
Hi
Did you know that glass is a liquid and if left
long enough (1,000s of years) will form a puddle on the table.
regards
David M
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From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
To: <moq_discuss@moq.org>
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: MD MOQ and The Moral Evolution of Society.
> Hi gang,
>
> How is everyone doing?
>
> I let my hotmail account expire when I let a month go by without accessing
> it, and I guess that got me unsubscribed, so I've just been taking a break
> from posting (and giving you a break from me posting:-)). But I've been
> peeking at the archives periodically to see what's been going on, and I
just
> couldn't let this remarkable development go by without comment, so I
> resubscribed:
>
> Platt wrote on May 7th:
> >I agree with you and DMB that change in and of itself doesn't always mean
> that DQ is involved, a point I've repeated several times in other posts.
> So when you say, "When Pirsig uses the phrase 'static pattern' I don't
> think that he means to exclude change or to associate change with Dynamic
> Quality," I say, "Right on."
>
> I remember you and others pretty much dismissed me when I was making this
> point last year, you all said that static patterns never change, by
> definition. So I'm glad to see you've expanded your rigid definition of
> static patterns. Static patterns change when they are influenced by other
> static patterns. In fact, static patterns are always changing, quite
> obvioulsy in the case of individuals (witness Platt's coming around on
this
> topic but still being Platt) and less obviously in the case of a glass of
> water (it loses atoms very slowly). Even patterns like Gravity must
slowly
> change, I would think.
>
> An important aspect to a pattern no one mentioned is the element of time
> passing in the repeating of a pattern. A pattern represents the past
> becoming the present, according to the pattern. It is formed from
> experience and is expected to continue into the future. The pattern of a
> glass is an expectation, based on the pattern, that it will remain a
glass,
> and that carries it into the future. If the glass falls and breaks
(because
> the pattern of glasses breaking when they hit the floor is stronger), then
> the pattern is gone. The stronger an expectation, the stronger the
pattern,
> and the greater value it has. Value comes from expectation being
realized,
> from patterns continuing. The patterns of things that no longer exist,
like
> the Holy Roman Empire, do not exist any more, only the pattern of it as a
> historical concept exists now, and only the historical concept continues
to
> exist into the future to create the present.
>
> So, that's what I say a pattern is. I agree with Pirsig that they are
> "integral and inherent in reality".
>
> Have any of you given any more thought to how Expectation neatly expresses
> morality, value, and quality? Or have you been relieved not to have to
hear
> about it? I've been reading Neitzsche and Heidegger, and I think
> Neitzsche's Will To Power is a way of expressing the ontology of
> expectation: expectation is what will be, and values it being so, as that
> empowers expectation itself.
>
> Johnny
>
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