From: Paul Vogel (nitzke@hotmail.com)
Date: Wed Jun 23 2004 - 02:36:15 BST
>From: "johnny moral" <johnnymoral@hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: RE: MD Ability to respond to DQ/Success
>Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2004 23:18:47 +0000
>
>Mr. Vogel,
>
>I used the term "social-marxist" to be ironic, not to provoke you.
Ok, Johnny. :D
>
>I don't feel a need to prod at whatever "racial" differences may or may not
>exist.
The scientific enterprise does, and the overwhelming evidence suggests that
such "racial differences" are quite real, they do really exist, and they do
really
matter.
When we talk about equality, we are talking about
>every living person's equal moral value as a consciousness, and everyone's
>equal right to pursue their HUMAN rights to life, liberty, and happiness.
I do not believe that every living person has "equal value" as "a
consciousness"
as every living person does not have the equal level of consciousness
required
for them to be "of equal value".
It is clear that everyone has an equal right to pursue their Human rights to
life,
liberty, and happiness, but, ONLY IF they also uphold their own equal duty
to
actually uphold their own personal responsibilities towards society equally
as well.
With "Human Rights" come "Human Responsibilities" or "Duties" to actually
uphold that
same society so that it can continue to insure and ensure those very same
"Human Rights"
and duties.
We aren't saying that each person has the
>same abilities, nor are we denying that a person's differences in ability
>may be genetic, and thus, to the extent that people "of the same race"
>actually share that gene,"racial".
That is NOT what the "social-marxists" actually and falsely claim in their
own dogmatism.
But races aren't
>clones, and no one is a definitive example of a particular race. A person
>is not defined by race, and no one is forced to conform to anyone else's
>idea of what they should do with their life, or if they should be allowed
>to live at all.
Of course, "races" aren't clones, but, everyone does and can be "identified"
as being from one race or another, even when there is miscegenation. I do
agree that the freedom to not conform to anyone else's idea of what they
should do with their life, or even to live at all, is a individual choice,
but, this
does not mean that any individual doesn't also have responsibilities to
uphold
within their own "self-identified" social groups or community. Humans are
quite
social beings and with an inherent instinct to belong to their own "racial
groups".
Do you not affirm everyone's
>right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness?
It is clear that everyone has an equal right to pursue their Human rights to
life,
liberty, and happiness, but, ONLY IF they also uphold their own equal duty
to
actually uphold their own personal responsibilities towards society equally
as well.
How does
>keeping the "races" apart through anti-miscegenation laws, or stressing
>each person's inherited differences, serve Quality?
Keeping the races apart serves Quality by insuring the continuing
preservation of all unique identities or "racial identies" and their own
quite unique biological gifts and their own unique cultures.
>
>btw, are you related to the Rabbi Vogel who co-wrote Laura Schlessinger's
>book?
No.
>
>>Johnny moral asks:
>>
>>"For example, could it be said that Intellectual patterns such as
>>equality, fairness, cooperation and well, social-marxism are also
>>responses to DQ, and that these responses to DQ, while they don't "work
>>better" at speeding dynamic change and facilitating progress, "work
>>better" at producing a stable and mentally satisfying world that might be
>>better at responding to DQ on a personal relationship level, where it can
>>actually be felt by us, instead of by the Giant (had to come back to that
>>"NYC is the Giant" thing, sorry)."
>>
>>You could say it, but, it still wouldn't be factually true that it would
>>produce a stable and mentally satisfying world that might be better at
>>responding to DQ on either the individual or Giant level.
>>Most especially, "social-marxism", whose Human Racial Equality dogmatism
>>has created the "disaster" in the first place!
>
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