From: Horse (horse@darkstar.uk.net)
Date: Wed Jun 23 2004 - 20:51:45 BST
Before I start I just want to point out that whatever I say on this subject I know I'm going
to upset someone - possibly everyone - so I'm not going to take this into account. If you
don't like what I've got to say then that's just tough luck!
To Paul Vogel:
Either cut the crap or get out. One more racist comment and I'll remove you. And don't
even bother giving me any sanctimonious crap about censorship and the MoQ as I'm
entirely familiar with anything you may have to say on the subject. You have no interest
in the MoQ whatsoever - your only intent is to promote the racist messages of
cosmotheism and you aren't going to use this list to do that. This is your one and only
warning.
To the rest of you:
What the hell are you doing? Over the last few weeks this list has degenerated into a
name-calling arena and it's going to stop. Are any of you seriously going to try and
defend the utter garbage that's been appearing of late?
"He did this to me so I'm only doing it back"
"Well he started it so don't blame me"
"You're a fascist"
"You're a commie"
Blah, Blah, Blah.
Grow up already. I'm not trying to stop valid criticisms and observations but most of
what's been happening recently is pathetic. And this is aimed at both sides of the
political divide. Step back, take a deep breath and translate into MoQ. Then continue
without the name calling. Also remember this is an international discussion list not a
USA only list. I really don't want to hear any more commie/fascist/social-marxist or any
other form of name calling. It's entirely inappropriate and pointless. If you can't make a
point without an insult then go away and meditate (or whatever) until you can. The MoQ
doesn't need insults and name-calling and neither does the MD list.
The rules of the moq_discuss forum are quite plain and are reproduced below. I've also
added some relevant comments afterwards so please read them:
RULES OF THE FORUM
1) As a minimum requirement for joining the MOQ_DISCUSS mailing list members must
have read LILA: An Inquiry into Morals by Robert M. Pirsig.
2) All topics and discussions must be relevant to the Metaphysics of Quality in general
or some particular aspect of Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: An Inquiry into
Values or LILA.
3) Each member should limit the number of posts they submit to a maximum of four per
day.
4) Members should reproduce only the relevant parts of any previous message to which
they are responding.
5) Contributors should reproduce the Subject line of the thread/discussion to which they
are replying.
6) Where possible, posts should be restricted to plain text - no HTML, Rich Text (RTF)
or other formats should be used.
7) Posts may not contain attachments, gifs or other documents except by arrangement
with the list administrator. MOQ_DISCUSS should not be used as a file transfer or
document exchange service. Use FTP or the Web (put your file/document on the Web
and mail the list its URL).
8) Members should refrain from swearing, using offensive language and personal
attacks on other members. Abuse, in any form, will not be tolerated.
Rules 1, 3 & 5 will be ignored as long as posts are of value to the forum and don't break
the other rules.
Rule 2 can be interpreted widely but no so widely that posts are entirely irrelevant to the
MoQ. You're intelligent folk so use that intelligence. If it's not about the MoQ then why
are you posting it on the list?
Rule 4 should be observed in order to reduce bandwidth and be relevant. Don't
reproduce an entire post just to add 1 line - just reference the author, time and date
(and/or URL if it's in the archives).
Rule 6 is only really important where the use of HTML causes the post to go over the
12KByte limit. If this happens and your post is bounced to me because of this then don't
expect it to make it through to the list. If you use HTML in your email and a post doesn't
make it then turn off the HTML. Do not split it into several parts and make several posts
of it. Not everyone has broadband and huge wasteful posts are a real pain. Some
mailing systems (AOL is one such) assume a default of HTML mail. This can be turned
off with little effort from Version 9 onwards. Just RTFM
Rule 7 is self-evident but also includes long narratives of dubious value which will also
be considered as attachments - we've had a lot of these recently. In most cases a URL
reference can be used. If it can then please do so. If in doubt check with me.
Rule 8 will from here on be enforced by removals and suspensions. There is, in most
cases, no reason to be abusive and certainly no need to act in the way many have been
acting of late. This will also include deliberate wind-ups which are designed to do
nothing but annoy others. If you want to be involved in a serious discussion about the
MoQ then this is the place to be - if you want to be an annoying twerp then go and do it
some place else.
I'm sure that in most cases from now on where rules get broken it will not be deliberate
so polite warnings will be given - privately not publicly - but if members continue to
ignore both the rules and warnings then they will be suspended for a period which will
vary according to the circumstances. If it continues then those members will be
permanently removed.
I am making no apologies for any of the above. If you don't like what I have to say or feel
that I am being unreasonably harsh then feel free to unsubscribe. I would rather that
than for members to continue posting the sort of garbage that has been appearing of
late. If you want to comment on the above then make it brief and relevant or I will simply
ignore it - and don't bother trying to wind me up with smartass comments 'cos it won't
work.
As a final point I'd just like to comment on the "should racism be banned from the forum"
thread. My answer is a definite yes. You'll find the reasons quite plainly in Lila.
Discussions about racism are fine as long as they don't degenerate into a slagging off
exercise, but racist comments and racism are a different matter. Discussions about
almost anything MoQ-related is OK abuse is not OK
Horse
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