From: Dan Glover (daneglover@hotmail.com)
Date: Tue Jul 27 2004 - 18:00:01 BST
Hello everyone
>From: Valuemetaphysics@aol.com
>Reply-To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>To: moq_discuss@moq.org
>Subject: Re: MD the metaphysics of freedom
>Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 10:19:22 EDT
>
>
>Mark 26-7-04: I am not trying to convince you Dan. This isn't a debating
>contest or a court of law.
Hi Mark
Fair enough.
>
>Mark 26-7-04: Coherence says intellect is patterns of sq evolving towards
>DQ.
>Are you seriously telling me you have a problem with that Dan?
>Re: inspiration. It's not hard work. You just have to zazen. Fish. Wait. Be
>patient.
No I didn't say I have a problem with coherence. I get the impression from
your posts that you feel coherence is a better term to use in the MOQ than
is the term Quality. I disagree with you on that. But perhaps that's not
what you really mean?
>
>>
>Mark 26-7-04: This movie is discussed by Pirsig in an audio lecture. The
>link
>between fly fishing, archery and motorcycle maintenance of the sweet spot
>should be pretty well plain. I would suggest you stop thinking about this
>for a
>while and just wait.
Could you point me to where I could find the audio lecture?
>
>
>The MOQ would say Quality inheres in all the topics you list. My point was
>that rather than pointing a student to taking action in learning a topic a
>zen master points the student to taking inaction. The student already knows
>how to perfectly draw the bow and shoot the arrow. All the student must to
>is remember that they know. The same can be said about playing the perfect
>chess game. The memory is uncovered through inaction, not action. That's
>how
>a person can beat anyone in the world, if one has the predilection.
>
>Mark 26-7-04: This sounds a bit Platonic to me. Memory is remembering. I am
>confused.
>It seems to me that if you 'get on' to coherence you can begin to see it
>all
>over the place, and yet there are many people who don't get to see it even
>once?
Perhaps this quote of Robert Pirsig's in LILA'S CHILD will reduce the
confusion: "In German there are two words for “know,” kennen and wissen. The
Zen approach reduces Wissenschaft (scholarly knowledge) and thereby improves
Kenntnis (recognition without intellectual interposition)."
RMP expounds on how a person buys a car and then begins seeing the same cars
everywhere that they never noticed before. The same is happening in the case
of coherence perhaps. And it has something to do with what I said about
knowing but having to remember the knowing.
Thank you for your comments,
Dan
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