MF Space and Time

From: Andrew Bowen (andrew.bowen@dce.ac.nz)
Date: Tue Mar 21 2000 - 23:47:57 GMT


Kia Ora Marco and Foci,
                        Thanks for your insights to time Marco. Thery are
most worthwhile for delving into the beginnings of DQ.

If one was to ponder what was at the beginning of time, before the big bang,
the answer according to SOM is nothing. This is due to the fact that this
metaphysics is based on the duality of subject-objectivity. According to MOQ
the answer is oneness, the mystical experience, DQ. After the Big Bang, then
came the duality of space-time. This duality is evident on a more personal
level.

3WD points out that the answer to your question: "What is Time?" ...is the
space between the event of your birth and the event of your death. This is
so in the following light. Being in the mothers womb, there is no concept of
separation, there is no concept of time. The baby has pure DQ. It also has
static Quality experince in that it is secure, nourished, nurtured. Upon
birth, the separation from the mother, the creation of space from its secure
static Quality environment, time becomes a perception addressing a need to
become reunited and one.

The concept of time has both static Quality and Dynamic Quality. The concept
of space has both static Quality and Dynamic Quality. However one cannot
exist without the other. They are dependent on each other.They are both
relevant to this discussion of chapters 1-3 as they are the basis of our
current understanding of reality. The Dynamic Quality experience is to
reunite time and space to become one. Oneness is the Mystical experience.

Your point, Marco, on securing a solid static intellectual base to face DQ
without risks is quite valid. Just as the newborn baby cannot grow from a
totally DQ existence without the static Quality environment of their mother,
one cannot expect to be nourished on DQ without a static intellectual base
(what ever that base may be, as everyone is different).

ZAMM gave us insight that Quality is an event. An event bringing about an
awareness of the subject to the object. This requires space and time. The
static Quality event may be the intellectual understanding of this concept
whereas the Dynamic Quality event is the noetic, ineffable understanding of
this concept, reunion, oneness.

In light of this I find one thing quite ironic regarding the use of drugs
from different pattern levels of value. If we regard the DQ experience as
being a totally personal noetic, ineffable experience, then this is the
irony. The individual who goes to a bar, alone, to partake in a drug can
become socially accepted by others, especially when the conversation focuses
in on intellectual patterns of value. Who can't say they have not
experienced a drunken conversation about the woes of society, government,
world attrocities, understanding relationships etc (intellectual pattern
values) around the bar on a Friday evening. It is noisy, unfocused and
builds comfort for the individual through a sense of inclusion. The initial
bar scene with Phaedrus and Rigel demonstrates this insight. Whereas the
peyote ceremony of the Indians has socio-intellectual patterns of value to
release unto the individual the DQ experience, a journey that is personal
and requires detachment from the cultural pattern values. Both are taking
the drug but from a different level of pattern values. (David B points this
out). Phaedrus experienced both, one from the social level and the other
from an intellectual level. The former did not give him the DQ insight, the
latter did.

>From each of these patterns of value, the time-space duality has differing
outcomes in perception. The social value of time-space at the end of the
experience may result in the union of the time-space duality ('After that
23rd beer I can't remember a thing') but no conscience recollection
(Phaedrus pointed this feeling out next day). The intellectual value of
time-space at the end of the experience is the conscious awareness of a
place where time-space duality does not exist, oneness, the DQ experience.

It is worthwhile to point out that the preceding pattern of values for each
has stable but certainly different morals. Preceding the social level is the
biological pattern of value. Preceding the intellectual level is the social
pattern of value. In both instances the preceding pattern level of values
has a secure base of morality. The Indian culture shows insights to what
this entails for social stability. This underlying concepts changes the
dynamics of the perception of drug use in a culture based in differing
levels of morality.

This last statement I will leave open ended. Whilst this letter has been
initiated to deal with the concept of time-space, it is difficult to explain
it without referring to the pattern of values. Intellectually it helps
clarify it. In fact the term-space and time may be the only point of
reference between SOM and MOQ in years to come. When dealing with concepts
of relationships, mysticism, static-Dynamic, Quality events, in a world
seeking the reunification of the human condition, attachment to the DQ
experience may only be achieved through the detachment of the time-space
perception.

Ka Kite Anu

Andrew

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