DMB, 3wd, Andrew, Diana and all
David,
>
> The first time I read Lila I thouhgt it was a little disappointing that he
> didn't tell us more about what was on those slips of paper.
I too!
> But now I realize that the contents of the card catalogue file is revealed
> simply by reading the rest of Pirsig's book. Lila is made from the slips.
In great part.... yes. Not the novel, I guess. But probably all the parts
about MOQ. But surely a lot of slips were rejected at the moment of writing
the definitive version of the book.
>
> So I think the question of which comes first is not about time or the
> sequence of events, the question is about philosophical or intellectual
> primacy. I mean, when he compares two slips, two ideas, he must be asking
> himself which one needs to be explained or described first. One of them is
> "first", not because its more important or noble or whatever, just because
> the second will be better understood if it comes after the forst one.
Good point. As I wrote in my last post, maybe the Italian translation drove
me to a wrong conclusion, or maybe I just was blind.
As we are not sure if this topic will go on, and responding to people on
"time" topic I want to say that my idea was that MOQ is a philosophy based
on the tenet of an evolution through time of static patterns of value, just
because P. becomes his search assuming time as criterion. Even if it's not
correct, according to your words, I think we can agree on the fact that MOQ
is an evolution-based philosophy.
The problem of time is that in SOM it's a big Platypus, but is MOQ able to
find a solution? What kind of pattern is time? Inorganic, Biologic, Social
or Intellectual?
I'm not talking of our "idea" of time, that is an intellectual pattern.
We must agree on the fact that, according to MOQ, at the beginning of
universe only inorganic patterns were "existing" and after billions of years
the other kinds of patterns were born. Time was already existing as it's a
necessary condition for events.
Is time "only" an inorganic pattern?
The messages of 3wd and Andrew opened my mind.
> If one was to ponder what was at the beginning of time, before the big
bang,
> the answer according to SOM is nothing. This is due to the fact that this
> metaphysics is based on the duality of subject-objectivity. According to
MOQ
> the answer is oneness, the mystical experience, DQ. After the Big Bang,
then
> came the duality of space-time. This duality is evident on a more personal
> level.
>
This helps me, but it's not enough. I agree on the oneness, the absolute DQ
of the beginning.
3WD says:
> So... WHAT IS TIME?
> The space between the event of your birth and the event of your death
(even your psychological ones)
> for all that shit to happen.
According to MOQ, I'm just a sum of patterns stratified during billions of
years. That's like to say that my life begun at the beginning of universe
and will end at the end of universe.
If time is the space between the event of my birth and the event of my
death, time is also the space between the birth of universe and his end,
"for all that shit to happen" (events).
Time is a space.
Time is the space between quality events.
Time is the space where quality events happen.
Time is the space where DQ become SQ.
TIME IS THE ENVIRONMENT OF RT.
TIME IS THE ENVIRONMENT OF QUALITY.
Another Platypus destroyed?
Thank you all
Marco.
p.s.
Answering to Diana's Admin post:
I think number 2 is ok.
>
> 2) Move slow reading to a new moderated list
> - Someone will have to volunteer to moderate (ie can't guarantee that the
> current MF moderators will)
>
The MD option seems to me a little chaotic.
I agree with you, we must set the slow reading rules. I think
that firstly David B. has the right to suggest new rules: this possible new
forum needs the presence and the ideas of its inventor.
If a moderator will be found, that's good. But I hope that if rules are
clear, we will respect them. I'm also ready to begin again from the first
chapter, if you think we are on such a wrong way (or why don't slowread both
ZAMM and LILA?).
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