Moffers,
First I thank you for all good comments on my last post - I'm just waiting
for Bo's last word...:-) -
I think this has been a GREAT MONTH. We are at 4th level, no? And we are
fighting a typical 4th level war, for intellectual agreement. It's not a
problem if the posts are 99.5% out of the topic. That's dynamic!
I must say something about Roger's summary.
#1: Pirsig introduces us to some of the limitations of objectivity....
I Agree.
#2: He highlights that his [mystical] peyote experience was an important
grain
of sand around which the pearl of the MOQ was formed. It helped him to
overcome his objectivity. He even considered structuring the entire book
around the "complex realities and trancendental questions that first emerged
in his mind there."
Tomorrow I will go to the grocery and buy two kilograms of mushrooms. Maybe
I will be able to structure a perfect English.....
#3: His initial peyote illumination was that Indians are "the originators"
of much of American values, especially the value of Freedom.
I agree that Pirsig thinks so. I don't agree with him about the origins of
freedom, as you know. A lot of comments say that Pirsig's point is weak, or
forced. I thank 3WD for his new topic suggestion. If it will be the winner,
we will discuss it in depth.
#4: He provides insights on how the MOQ was compiled using random slips. A
central theme here again is freedom. He speaks of using the slips to free
and empty his mind to make room for the new. He also stresses the quality,
freshness and growth potential that can be leveraged via the freedom of
random access. He allowed the slips almost to organize and categorize
themselves by asking only one simple question, "which came first?."
"the slip-sorting [method] refers not to time, but to metaphysical or
logical primacy"...
> ROGER:
> Does anyone disagree? Marco?
>
>
No, I agree. David B. nailed it better then me. But please note that this
carries two implications.
4.a: P had already a metaphysics in his mind. Only a little confused.
Every time he answers to "Which comes first?" question, he is applying his
metaphysics, that was a result of years of diverse experiences. In fact, if
each one of us writes today 1 million of slips and then sort them in a
metaphysical order, surely every result will be different. It's like to say
we have a personal metaphysics. Said in this way, smells a little
solipsistic. However we are here to discuss MOQ, that is one of the possible
metaphysics.....
4.b: Dusenberry has a logical metaphysical primacy on peyote and Indians.
"The first topic, at the very front of the tray, was DUSENBERRY."
So, applying a David B. key concept, I end this month with the same words I
used in my first post. Dusenberry is the dynamic (unexpected) encounter. He
leads him among the Indians. Dusenberry is necessary to understand (logical
primacy) why P. eats peyote.
It's sad to end the three chapters with a summary where Dusenberry is not
mentioned at all. I hope someone else will support our old friend Verne.
Marco.
p.s.
#5: Good job, Roger! :-)
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